Nightrider O2 IED's - Field Test
#2271
07-21-2008 | 02:38 PM
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#2272
07-21-2008 | 02:56 PM
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RE: Nightrider O2 IEDs, Field Test
ORIGINAL: whittlebeast
Rider57
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Do you know if a standard stage 1 DL with the "correct" intake and exhaust has ever been EPA tested and "approved" by Harley
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PS I love your signature given that post
Rider57
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Do you know if a standard stage 1 DL with the "correct" intake and exhaust has ever been EPA tested and "approved" by Harley
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PS I love your signature given that post
#2273
07-21-2008 | 03:51 PM
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RE: Nightrider O2 IEDs, Field Test
ORIGINAL: Rider57
The SE Stage 1 DL is EPA approved with or without the upgraded a/c or mufflers. The SERT is not EPA approved. Any changes using the SERT made to the map that changes emissions is a violation of EPA regulations. A word to the wise is in order here. Expect major changes to emission testing in ALL states in respect to motorcycles in 2010.
The SE Stage 1 DL is EPA approved with or without the upgraded a/c or mufflers. The SERT is not EPA approved. Any changes using the SERT made to the map that changes emissions is a violation of EPA regulations. A word to the wise is in order here. Expect major changes to emission testing in ALL states in respect to motorcycles in 2010.
That is the sort of thing that could change the \\;Harley industry as we now know it. \\;I wonder if they can make testing retroactive and back how far?
#2274
07-21-2008 | 08:42 PM
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RE: Nightrider O2 IEDs, Field Test
ORIGINAL: whittlebeast
I wonder if they can make testing retroactive and back how far?
ORIGINAL: Rider57
A word to the wise is in order here. Expect major changes to emission testing in ALL states in respect to motorcycles in 2010.
A word to the wise is in order here. Expect major changes to emission testing in ALL states in respect to motorcycles in 2010.
#2275
07-21-2008 | 09:02 PM
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RE: Nightrider O2 IEDs, Field Test
ORIGINAL: drharley
If you put the Heavy Breather on, the catalogue says that you must do a Stage I download. My question is: What does the Stage I download really do other than increase the rev limiter to 6200? If it's factory, it is not "permitted" to enrichen the mixture.
If you put the Heavy Breather on, the catalogue says that you must do a Stage I download. My question is: What does the Stage I download really do other than increase the rev limiter to 6200? If it's factory, it is not "permitted" to enrichen the mixture.
I've been told by Steve (Nightrider) that the XiED's will handle the Heavy Breather.
#2276
07-21-2008 | 09:09 PM
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RE: Nightrider O2 IEDs, Field Test
ORIGINAL: Rider57
Just a few notes about modifications to intakes and exhausts and add-ons. 1. Any add-on device that alters emissions is a violation of EPA regulations. No exceptions. 2. NO DEVICE may be inserted inline of any OEM component used for emissions compliance. This includes TMax, FuelPak, O2 Eliminators, IED, XiED, ViED.
Just a few notes about modifications to intakes and exhausts and add-ons. 1. Any add-on device that alters emissions is a violation of EPA regulations. No exceptions. 2. NO DEVICE may be inserted inline of any OEM component used for emissions compliance. This includes TMax, FuelPak, O2 Eliminators, IED, XiED, ViED.
#2277
07-21-2008 | 09:18 PM
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RE: Nightrider O2 IEDs, Field Test
ORIGINAL: glens
Hey Cruiser, checkmark another verification of material I have presented, okay?
ORIGINAL: Rider57
Just a few notes about modifications to intakes and exhausts and add-ons. 1. Any add-on device that alters emissions is a violation of EPA regulations. No exceptions. 2. \\;NO DEVICE \\;may be inserted inline of any OEM component used for emissions compliance. This includes TMax, FuelPak, O2 Eliminators, IED, XiED, ViED.
Just a few notes about modifications to intakes and exhausts and add-ons. 1. Any add-on device that alters emissions is a violation of EPA regulations. No exceptions. 2. \\;NO DEVICE \\;may be inserted inline of any OEM component used for emissions compliance. This includes TMax, FuelPak, O2 Eliminators, IED, XiED, ViED.
#2278
07-21-2008 | 10:45 PM
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RE: Nightrider O2 IEDs, Field Test
ORIGINAL: glens
The timing and VE settings are changed not to match the breather assy. They are changed only for burn duration keeping the emissions within EPA compliance for make / model.
Unless he as found out how our Adaptive Fueling works in the last couple of weeks and has verified that statement by checking on a dyno and sniffing the exhaust, and using a Digital Technician to monitor the AFVs he cannot authoritatively make that statement. Last I heard from him he was primarily relying on feedback from seat-of-pants field testers who often do not even know what to look for.
ORIGINAL: drharley
If you put the Heavy Breather on, the catalogue says that you must do a Stage I download. \\; My question is: What does the Stage I download really do other than increase the rev limiter to 6200? \\; If it's factory, it is not "permitted" to \\; enrichen \\;the mixture.
If you put the Heavy Breather on, the catalogue says that you must do a Stage I download. \\; My question is: What does the Stage I download really do other than increase the rev limiter to 6200? \\; If it's factory, it is not "permitted" to \\; enrichen \\;the mixture.
Some timing changes, some VE table changes to match the breather assembly, increase rev limiter, richen fuel as necessary, still meet EPA certification. It is absolutely necessary to change programming if staying with just the stock ECU if you want the engine to run correctly when you change parts.
I've been told by Steve (Nightrider) that the XiED's will handle the Heavy Breather.
#2279
07-21-2008 | 10:51 PM
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RE: Nightrider O2 IEDs, Field Test
ORIGINAL: whittlebeast
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That is the sort of thing that could change the \\;\\\\\\;Harley industry as we now know it. \\;\\\\\\;I wonder if they can make testing retroactive and back how far?
ORIGINAL: Rider57
The SE Stage 1 DL is EPA approved with or without the upgraded a/c or mufflers. The SERT is not EPA approved. Any changes using the SERT made to the map that changes emissions is a violation of EPA regulations. A word to the wise is in order here. Expect major changes to emission testing in ALL states in respect to motorcycles in 2010.
The SE Stage 1 DL is EPA approved with or without the upgraded a/c or mufflers. The SERT is not EPA approved. Any changes using the SERT made to the map that changes emissions is a violation of EPA regulations. A word to the wise is in order here. Expect major changes to emission testing in ALL states in respect to motorcycles in 2010.
That is the sort of thing that could change the \\;\\\\\\;Harley industry as we now know it. \\;\\\\\\;I wonder if they can make testing retroactive and back how far?
#2280
07-21-2008 | 11:23 PM
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RE: Nightrider O2 IEDs, Field Test
ORIGINAL: cruiser85257
What are you smoking these days? That's a direct quote from Andy (Rider 57).
What are you smoking these days? That's a direct quote from Andy (Rider 57).
I know it was a quote from him. You had said you would listen to anything he said over anything I said. It just so happens that what I quoted him saying is something I had already said in this thread. Thus, him saying it must mean to you that it is gospel, and therefore confirms that when I had said it I was correct.