Nightrider O2 IED's - Field Test
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05-13-2008 | 09:40 AM
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05-13-2008 | 11:30 AM
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RE: Nightrider O2 IED's - Field Test
Here's a question that I don't think has been posed:
Since neither the IEDs or XIEDs have compensated for the difference between the front and rear cylinders, has anyone contemplated using an XIED for the rear cylinder and an IED for the front cylinder?
I know on my 06 Fatboy, I had a PC III USB with V&H Longshots. I richened the rear cylinder on the laptop by a factor of around 8%, IIRC. Seemed to even out the running of the engine even more.
I have no idea if this is feasible or not, or if it might cause the ECM to implode, but for those unhappy with the heat (etc) differences between the front and rear jugs, might this be an answer?
Since neither the IEDs or XIEDs have compensated for the difference between the front and rear cylinders, has anyone contemplated using an XIED for the rear cylinder and an IED for the front cylinder?
I know on my 06 Fatboy, I had a PC III USB with V&H Longshots. I richened the rear cylinder on the laptop by a factor of around 8%, IIRC. Seemed to even out the running of the engine even more.
I have no idea if this is feasible or not, or if it might cause the ECM to implode, but for those unhappy with the heat (etc) differences between the front and rear jugs, might this be an answer?
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05-13-2008 | 11:45 AM
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RE: RE:IED'S
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I've been keeping up with this thread from day one and I want to share my experience. I've got an 08 Ultra with 6000 miles and have run the IED's for most of those miles. During that time I ran the stock airbox and filter and SE slipons (80491-07). It completely changed the bike and I could not have been happier. About a month ago I decided to try the XIED's. Imediately I could tell the bike was running richer. Any slight popping on deceleration was gone, the temps were slightly cooler by the IR gun, but for my setup it seemed to be richer than what the bike wanted. It lost some of its snap and seemed to labor a bit more while cruising. So I tried the K&N replacement filter (HD-1508) and there was a substantial improvement. Roll on throttle is stronger than ever before but the initial snap and crispness is not as good as with the stock filter and IED's. Another interesting point is that at max throttle in 5th for passing, the bike pulls harder with the stock air filter. Must be because in open loop mode I'm not adding any more gas with all the extra air the K&N is flowing. But as is for my setup, I am most happy with the stock airbox and filter, IED's and SE slipons. A friend has a PC111 for sale-maybe I'll do some more experimenting...
I've been keeping up with this thread from day one and I want to share my experience. I've got an 08 Ultra with 6000 miles and have run the IED's for most of those miles. During that time I ran the stock airbox and filter and SE slipons (80491-07). It completely changed the bike and I could not have been happier. About a month ago I decided to try the XIED's. Imediately I could tell the bike was running richer. Any slight popping on deceleration was gone, the temps were slightly cooler by the IR gun, but for my setup it seemed to be richer than what the bike wanted. It lost some of its snap and seemed to labor a bit more while cruising. So I tried the K&N replacement filter (HD-1508) and there was a substantial improvement. Roll on throttle is stronger than ever before but the initial snap and crispness is not as good as with the stock filter and IED's. Another interesting point is that at max throttle in 5th for passing, the bike pulls harder with the stock air filter. Must be because in open loop mode I'm not adding any more gas with all the extra air the K&N is flowing. But as is for my setup, I am most happy with the stock airbox and filter, IED's and SE slipons. A friend has a PC111 for sale-maybe I'll do some more experimenting...
My point is Ride with what ever feels best for you, your bike and your surroundings. I can't compare my results to Andy(Rider57) who lives up high in the Colorado Mountains. I shouldn't have my bike set up the same because I live at a lower altitude and certainly drier and hotter.
So don't be surprised if you don't get exactly the same results as me. It might take a different combination to bring out the best of your Ride.
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05-13-2008 | 12:23 PM
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05-13-2008 | 12:29 PM
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RE: RE:IED'S
HERES my report on the xied's I installed:I only rode 20 miles so far in town and country,the bike is an 07 fxd,stock except for se slipons (with the fiber packing removed).After installing the se slipons a few hundred miles ago the bike did not idle as well and low speed riding such as in town and parking lots was not as good as stock.Extreme low speeds were rougher and you could tell the engine wanted more fuel,high speeds were better.There was light popping on deceleration.Thats ALL gone now.The idle is smooth and strong,even better than stock.THIS alone makes the xied's worth it.It gets better,the decel pop is gone,grabbing a handfull of throttle in1st gear brings the front wheel an inch off the ground,solid proof of increased torque.Low speed parking lot riding is smoother.The bike sounds healthier.I don't lug my bike but I shifted into 6th at 40 mph and it pulls quite well(better).Since it wasn't hot today I can only comment that it seems a bit cooler.But that idle isVERY impressive and light throttle roll ons absolutely are morepowerfull.Needless to say they made a very good running bike BETTER.
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05-13-2008 | 01:47 PM
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RE: Nightrider O2 IED's - Field Test
Phil K,
I also bought the IED's for my 06 Street Bob. I've read abouthow easy they are to install, but I'm not completely clear on where the connectors are. When you installed yours, did you have to unscrew and/or removeanything other than the seat?I've looked at the bike in the area where the service manual says the sensors are located,but I just don't knowwhat the heck I'm looking at.[&:] Could you give me some Street Bob specific tips on installation? Thanks very much for your help. I can't wait to get these things on and see the same benefits youdid!!
I also bought the IED's for my 06 Street Bob. I've read abouthow easy they are to install, but I'm not completely clear on where the connectors are. When you installed yours, did you have to unscrew and/or removeanything other than the seat?I've looked at the bike in the area where the service manual says the sensors are located,but I just don't knowwhat the heck I'm looking at.[&:] Could you give me some Street Bob specific tips on installation? Thanks very much for your help. I can't wait to get these things on and see the same benefits youdid!!
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05-13-2008 | 02:03 PM
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RE: Nightrider O2 IED's - Field Test
Hey Cruiser,
I'm new here so 1st I want to say how much I really appreciate your comments andthe wealth of many othersin this forum. This is GREAT stuff especially for us NOOBS to Harleys. I just got a new 08 FLSTC all stock which I REALLY like. Looks like you guys have done an "exhaustive" :-)amount of research on the Nightrider IEDs/XiEDs among other stuff to get these TC96s to run better, cooler andincrease power output. I plan to leave my Heritage stock (famous last words). Really I do, really. Well, at least for now...SOOO...
Which one of these guys would you recommend? IED or XiED?
Here's my short history on the new bike: I have put about 150 miles on itsince getting it Friday and it is running well. So far I have not noticed the heat issue but ambient temps here in central Illinois have been 50s-70s.But this has been a concern to me even prior to buying the bike asit will get hot & humid here soon. Some seat of the pants observations I made so farare:
1. To me the idle seems way too high and does not return quickly back to idle when I blip it.It almost don't sound like a Harley. It does, of course, but it doesn't, if you know what I mean. Kind of weak?
2. Seems like I should get more power on throttle roll-on. This seems to be improving with break-in though.
3. Shiftingfrom 5th to 6th needs to be up in RPMs. In fact I feel the bike is a little prone to lugging.
4. Using 92 octane w/ 10% Ethenol. (Illinois = corn) So our politicians are selling this stuff. I'll look for Zero-E premium if i can find it.
5.I have not experienced anypopping or backfire on decels.
Sorry I have to speak general or non-specific here as my only measuring stickis my butt & brain.
Thanks to all for making this a great forum. -Rick
I'm new here so 1st I want to say how much I really appreciate your comments andthe wealth of many othersin this forum. This is GREAT stuff especially for us NOOBS to Harleys. I just got a new 08 FLSTC all stock which I REALLY like. Looks like you guys have done an "exhaustive" :-)amount of research on the Nightrider IEDs/XiEDs among other stuff to get these TC96s to run better, cooler andincrease power output. I plan to leave my Heritage stock (famous last words). Really I do, really. Well, at least for now...SOOO...
Which one of these guys would you recommend? IED or XiED?
Here's my short history on the new bike: I have put about 150 miles on itsince getting it Friday and it is running well. So far I have not noticed the heat issue but ambient temps here in central Illinois have been 50s-70s.But this has been a concern to me even prior to buying the bike asit will get hot & humid here soon. Some seat of the pants observations I made so farare:
1. To me the idle seems way too high and does not return quickly back to idle when I blip it.It almost don't sound like a Harley. It does, of course, but it doesn't, if you know what I mean. Kind of weak?
2. Seems like I should get more power on throttle roll-on. This seems to be improving with break-in though.
3. Shiftingfrom 5th to 6th needs to be up in RPMs. In fact I feel the bike is a little prone to lugging.
4. Using 92 octane w/ 10% Ethenol. (Illinois = corn) So our politicians are selling this stuff. I'll look for Zero-E premium if i can find it.
5.I have not experienced anypopping or backfire on decels.
Sorry I have to speak general or non-specific here as my only measuring stickis my butt & brain.
Thanks to all for making this a great forum. -Rick
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05-13-2008 | 02:20 PM
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RE: Nightrider O2 IED's - Field Test
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Hey Cruiser,
I'm new here so 1st I want to say how much I really appreciate your comments andthe wealth of many othersin this forum. This is GREAT stuff especially for us NOOBS to Harleys. I just got a new 08 FLSTC all stock which I REALLY like. Looks like you guys have done an "exhaustive" :-)amount of research on the Nightrider IEDs/XiEDs among other stuff to get these TC96s to run better, cooler andincrease power output. I plan to leave my Heritage stock (famous last words). Really I do, really. Well, at least for now...SOOO...
Which one of these guys would you recommend? IED or XiED?
Here's my short history on the new bike: I have put about 150 miles on itsince getting it Friday and it is running well. So far I have not noticed the heat issue but ambient temps here in central Illinois have been 50s-70s.But this has been a concern to me even prior to buying the bike asit will get hot & humid here soon. Some seat of the pants observations I made so farare:
1. To me the idle seems way too high and does not return quickly back to idle when I blip it.It almost don't sound like a Harley. It does, of course, but it doesn't, if you know what I mean. Kind of weak?
2. Seems like I should get more power on throttle roll-on. This seems to be improving with break-in though.
3. Shiftingfrom 5th to 6th needs to be up in RPMs. In fact I feel the bike is a little prone to lugging.
4. Using 92 octane w/ 10% Ethenol. (Illinois = corn) So our politicians are selling this stuff. I'll look for Zero-E premium if i can find it.
5.I have not experienced anypopping or backfire on decels.
Sorry I have to speak general or non-specific here as my only measuring stickis my butt & brain.
Thanks to all for making this a great forum. -Rick
Hey Cruiser,
I'm new here so 1st I want to say how much I really appreciate your comments andthe wealth of many othersin this forum. This is GREAT stuff especially for us NOOBS to Harleys. I just got a new 08 FLSTC all stock which I REALLY like. Looks like you guys have done an "exhaustive" :-)amount of research on the Nightrider IEDs/XiEDs among other stuff to get these TC96s to run better, cooler andincrease power output. I plan to leave my Heritage stock (famous last words). Really I do, really. Well, at least for now...SOOO...
Which one of these guys would you recommend? IED or XiED?
Here's my short history on the new bike: I have put about 150 miles on itsince getting it Friday and it is running well. So far I have not noticed the heat issue but ambient temps here in central Illinois have been 50s-70s.But this has been a concern to me even prior to buying the bike asit will get hot & humid here soon. Some seat of the pants observations I made so farare:
1. To me the idle seems way too high and does not return quickly back to idle when I blip it.It almost don't sound like a Harley. It does, of course, but it doesn't, if you know what I mean. Kind of weak?
2. Seems like I should get more power on throttle roll-on. This seems to be improving with break-in though.
3. Shiftingfrom 5th to 6th needs to be up in RPMs. In fact I feel the bike is a little prone to lugging.
4. Using 92 octane w/ 10% Ethenol. (Illinois = corn) So our politicians are selling this stuff. I'll look for Zero-E premium if i can find it.
5.I have not experienced anypopping or backfire on decels.
Sorry I have to speak general or non-specific here as my only measuring stickis my butt & brain.
Thanks to all for making this a great forum. -Rick
Your describing perfectly what it's like to ride a brand new HD with no mods or accessories added.
Depending what you are used to and rode before the stock EFI HD just seems to lack in throttle response, and some of the other things you have pointed out. I know for me I was used to a modded Yamaha Road Star that I had added High Compression pistons to and a nice 42mm Mikuni Flatside Carb. Talk about throttle response
. Then when I jumped on my first EFI 07 HD I was shocked for the lack of throttle response. You definitely have to get used to it.But the good news is the IED or XIED will help. Which one you choose, personally you can't loose either one. If your going to remain bone stock then you can easily get away with using the IED. Without changing the air box or exhaust the XIED might be a little overkill. Down the road if you do decide to add to your ride you can always upgrade. The prices are so reasonable that everyone should own a dozen..haha(just kidding). Who knows, down the Road Steve might have a totally new product that will be more appealling.
Dave
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05-13-2008 | 02:27 PM
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RE: Nightrider O2 IED's - Field Test
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Phil K,
I also bought the IED's for my 06 Street Bob. I've read abouthow easy they are to install, but I'm not completely clear on where the connectors are. When you installed yours, did you have to unscrew and/or removeanything other than the seat?I've looked at the bike in the area where the service manual says the sensors are located,but I just don't knowwhat the heck I'm looking at.[&:] Could you give me some Street Bob specific tips on installation? Thanks very much for your help. I can't wait to get these things on and see the same benefits youdid!!
Phil K,
I also bought the IED's for my 06 Street Bob. I've read abouthow easy they are to install, but I'm not completely clear on where the connectors are. When you installed yours, did you have to unscrew and/or removeanything other than the seat?I've looked at the bike in the area where the service manual says the sensors are located,but I just don't knowwhat the heck I'm looking at.[&:] Could you give me some Street Bob specific tips on installation? Thanks very much for your help. I can't wait to get these things on and see the same benefits youdid!!
Hope this helps.
Dave
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05-13-2008 | 03:45 PM
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