I discovered the V&H FP4 is an EPA approved tuner. Since you won't be able to tweak the A/F ratio which is what these bikes need, and is an EPA no no, what use is it, seems it won't be any better that the HD Screaming Eagle tuner. How can V&H have different MAPS if they all meet EPA standards? What would be the point of paying $400+ to tune a bike to Stage 1 and it still runs crappy because the MAP meets those EPA standards?

Or am I missing something?

Be nice if I could just find a new, unmarried FP3...

 

They have different models for different year bikes.

Bikes before ‘21 aren’t affected by the EPA regulations.

https://www.vanceandhines.com/wp-con...043-Signed.pdf

 

My 2017 1200 Custom would require the 66045 tuner, so that FP4 can change the A/F ratios among other things to correct the lean running stock MAP? So the FP4 in that regard is just like the FP3?

I've had great results using an FP3 on my '17 883 SuperLow running Stage 1, which is all the further I would go with the 1200.

 

I would suggest calling V&H and ask questions. Some of the reviews I read weren’t very good.

 

I've read that too. That's why I'd like to find an unmarried FP3, I know from experience it works.

 

Check this out FP3 @ Wal Mart

 

Against my better judgment, I went ahead and bought one. There can't be too many of them left, although I did find another website that had a few and they were actually $30 cheaper. Only problem was while they stated it was for my year and model, they didn't list the V&H model number so I had no way of being 100% certain it would be the right one, and they aren't returnable from what I understand.

It's only money right... If I ever plan on going with the Stage 1 setup on the 1200, I'd need one.

If I ever plan... Who am I kidding...

 

That is incorrect information. V&H, HD, and a host of others have paid millions in fines for violating EPA regulations.

 

Yeah, that’s what I initially thought, but when I opened and read their compliance document for the FP4, it only shows compliance for ‘21-‘23 models pursuant to the EPA tampering policy of 2020.

Also, there are still tuners for sale that defeat the stock EPA tune, so I don’t know for sure that your statement about “millions in fines” is true for all tuners. Care to document that with a link other than the $12 million fine in the consent decree in 2017?

 

You said "Bikes before ‘21 aren’t affected by the EPA regulations."
That is incorrect.
From the EPA website: "EPA has stringent emission standards for highway motorcycles that have been developed and refined for over thirty years. Motorcycles are regulated under section 202 of the Clean Air Act which calls for EPA to consider the need to achieve equivalent emission reductions from both motorcycles and other vehicles as much as possible."

And I never said all tuners- I said millions in fines have been paid for emissions violations- which you yourself verified.
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