Very well done M8 video.
#11
07-30-2018, 07:17 PM
Road Warrior
#12
07-30-2018, 07:38 PM
Grand HDF Member
So the more hits it gets, the more accurate it is?
The lack of critical thinking is sad. 1) its done by a dealer representative. What did you think he's going to say "they're junk!"? 2) he makes bizarre statements like the transfer issue is really someone accidentally overfilling the primary. Really? Explain how that can be done. Please. I want to know.
I could go on...
The lack of critical thinking is sad. 1) its done by a dealer representative. What did you think he's going to say "they're junk!"? 2) he makes bizarre statements like the transfer issue is really someone accidentally overfilling the primary. Really? Explain how that can be done. Please. I want to know.
I could go on...
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#13
07-30-2018, 07:39 PM
Road Warrior
#14
07-30-2018, 07:58 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
Only because you said please. He seems to attribute reduced primary fluid capacity on the M8's as a plausible explanation for overfilling. Earlier big twins required more than the M8's 30 oz. wet fill. Not everyone (techs included) reads the manual, and may be refilling the primary according to past practices. The M8's primary can be overfilled by several ounces before it will run out of the clutch cover opening while upright. So in short, that's how it could be done.
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#15
07-30-2018, 08:00 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
So the more hits it gets, the more accurate it is?
The lack of critical thinking is sad. 1) its done by a dealer representative. What did you think he's going to say "they're junk!"? 2) he makes bizarre statements like the transfer issue is really someone accidentally overfilling the primary. Really? Explain how that can be done. Please. I want to know.
I could go on...
The lack of critical thinking is sad. 1) its done by a dealer representative. What did you think he's going to say "they're junk!"? 2) he makes bizarre statements like the transfer issue is really someone accidentally overfilling the primary. Really? Explain how that can be done. Please. I want to know.
I could go on...
problem elsewhere.
He naturally filled the primary and when I picked up the bike it was ready for the 1000 mi service.
When I drained the primary later, there was 46ozs in it. (measured it)
I called the dealer and complained. The SW told me I must have overfilled it.
I said; "your tech just had the primary cover off when looking for the rattle. He filled it back."
Silence on his end. Then the SW said; 'must have been overfilled at the factory.'
I said; "I just came over and picked up the bike. You people had the primary cover off and
overfilled the primary then."
Silence again.
Then he says; "It is physically impossible for the Trans oil to move from the Trans to the primary."
Last edited by not a sock; 07-30-2018 at 08:03 PM.
#16
07-30-2018, 08:05 PM
Road Warrior
Only because you said please. He seems to attribute reduced primary fluid capacity on the M8's as a plausible explanation for overfilling. Earlier big twins required more than the M8's 30 oz. wet fill. Not everyone (techs included) reads the manual, and may be refilling the primary according to past practices. The M8's primary can be overfilled by several ounces before it will run out of the clutch cover opening while upright. So in short, that's how it could be done.
#17
07-30-2018, 08:07 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
OK, so I'll grant you that the primary can be overfilled. So if all the transmission transfer bikes are just overfilled primaries, what accounts for the missing transmission oil?
I had my '17 RGS to the dealer for a rattle and the tech pulled the primary cover before finding the
problem elsewhere.
He naturally filled the primary and when I picked up the bike it was ready for the 1000 mi service.
When I drained the primary later, there was 46ozs in it. (measured it)
I called the dealer and complained. The SW told me I must have overfilled it.
I said; "your tech just had the primary cover off when looking for the rattle. He filled it back."
Silence on his end. Then the SW said; 'must have been overfilled at the factory.'
I said; "I just came over and picked up the bike. You people had the primary cover off and
overfilled the primary then."
Silence again.
Then he says; "It is physically impossible for the Trans oil to move from the Trans to the primary."
problem elsewhere.
He naturally filled the primary and when I picked up the bike it was ready for the 1000 mi service.
When I drained the primary later, there was 46ozs in it. (measured it)
I called the dealer and complained. The SW told me I must have overfilled it.
I said; "your tech just had the primary cover off when looking for the rattle. He filled it back."
Silence on his end. Then the SW said; 'must have been overfilled at the factory.'
I said; "I just came over and picked up the bike. You people had the primary cover off and
overfilled the primary then."
Silence again.
Then he says; "It is physically impossible for the Trans oil to move from the Trans to the primary."
#18
07-30-2018, 08:13 PM
Intermediate
#19
07-30-2018, 08:25 PM
As I recall, he used the same logic. Different levels in different models, someone could have been confused or just made a mistake. Given that people have refilled them correctly and it happened again, that's obviously not the only cause. OTOH, I'm sure doing this stuff everyday, he sees all kinds of mistakes people (or their techs or bike's assembler) make with their bikes. Filling it correctly then rechecking after some period makes perfect sense. More sense than tearing the bike apart and replacing seals they may not need.
#20
07-30-2018, 08:31 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
As I recall, he used the same logic. Different levels in different models, someone could have been confused or just made a mistake. Given that people have refilled them correctly and it happened again, that's obviously not the only cause. OTOH, I'm sure doing this stuff everyday, he sees all kinds of mistakes people (or their techs or bike's assembler) make with their bikes. Filling it correctly then rechecking after some period makes perfect sense. More sense than tearing the bike apart and replacing seals they may not need.