Tuning for a Stage 1
#11
08-20-2014, 10:53 PM
You might want to think about just sticking to the Harley stuff. I just did the street cannons, with a download, plus new air filter. with labor, it came to just about 1200.
Thing is, unless he's really going for it, my bud with the B motor, true duals and the race tune isn't really going that much faster than me. I still have the cat, am street legal, and the pipes are nice and quiet until I get on them, for those stealth missions when you've been at the bar a little longer than usual.
Just some food for thought, if they can do a deal for you with the service. For my money, the on board ECU is still the best bang for the buck. Unless you're really looking for it, it's hard to beat.
Thing is, unless he's really going for it, my bud with the B motor, true duals and the race tune isn't really going that much faster than me. I still have the cat, am street legal, and the pipes are nice and quiet until I get on them, for those stealth missions when you've been at the bar a little longer than usual.
Just some food for thought, if they can do a deal for you with the service. For my money, the on board ECU is still the best bang for the buck. Unless you're really looking for it, it's hard to beat.
#12
08-21-2014, 07:46 AM
Road Master
Any Harley dealership is required by law to tune the bike to EPA specs. Im sure you can find dealers that will tune for optimum performance but if they do they are breaking the law. A legal dealer tune will be leaner than an optimum performance tune thus leaving a few ponies on the table.
#13
08-21-2014, 07:55 AM
Any Harley dealership is required by law to tune the bike to EPA specs. Im sure you can find dealers that will tune for optimum performance but if they do they are breaking the law. A legal dealer tune will be leaner than an optimum performance tune thus leaving a few ponies on the table.
#15
08-22-2014, 11:15 PM
If you're just doing the stage 1 you might want to check out the V&H FP-3. I have it and a V&H exhaust, and am happy with it. I haven't gotten a dyno, but it sure feels like it runs better to me.
Install it yourself, and save some cash. The FP-3 is super easy to use.
Install it yourself, and save some cash. The FP-3 is super easy to use.
#16
08-22-2014, 11:56 PM
Road Warrior
I went with all V&H stage 1 also and just don't think it can get any easier. The FP3 is a sweet little unit if your not going past stage 1. I use my motto x (android) phone to interact with my FP3, and I've never had a problem. I've tried a couple different maps since I got it, and they have both worked great and gone smoothly, autotune feature included. Bike is running great! Way cooler too.
#17
08-22-2014, 11:57 PM
This.
#18
08-23-2014, 02:19 AM
Look at the Powervision for a tuner. Very easy to use, and it has a autotuning function that you can use to fine tune one of the ready maps available for a engine-A/C-pipes combinations similar to yours that are available on their site. If you buy it from fuel moto they have additional maps to choose from. For the ultimate performance, to squeeze the last lbs-ft of torque a dyno run from an expert technician would be better, but for a bike that doesn' t have to race it will be very good anyway. And you can still dyno the bike with the pv if you wish so in the future.
Additional benefit: if you change something else in the future, like pipes or cams you can run the autotune yourself to retune your bike and not having to fork out another 400$ for a new dyno run at the dealership.
Additional benefit: if you change something else in the future, like pipes or cams you can run the autotune yourself to retune your bike and not having to fork out another 400$ for a new dyno run at the dealership.
#19
08-24-2014, 02:02 AM
Thanks for the info guys! Now just waiting for the funds to be released (why do they hold insurance checks so stinkin' long??) and will see how it does after the download. I think I'll check out the FP3 (?).
#20
08-24-2014, 04:40 AM
Well, I'm going in Saturday and having the 5k service done. At the same time, they'll be installing the V&H Power Duals and Hi-Output slip-ons.
Here is where I have some questions.
On my previous bike, I had the V&H Monster Rounds on my stock headpipes with the stock A/C. They did the download flash and the bike ran great.
They are telling me that with the new headpipe and slip-ons, the bike won't run right if I don't do the A/C also as it will not be getting enough air. So... another $150 added to the bill.
And now, they say the download probably won't work with that set-up and I'll probably be getting a lot of decel popping. (I know it'll still be lean, but I had planned on piggy backing a Xied with it).
Anyway, we're going to try it first, and if it isn't running right, I guess I'll bite the bullet and get their Super Tuner (supposedly the old race tuner) for almost $400.00. Then they say it'll need to be dyno tuned (another $400.00).
WTF have I gotten into?? All I wanted was a little better sound, and get rid of some of the heat.
Will it be worth it to do the whole shebang?? I'm not looking to race it. I want reliability and trouble free operation more than anything.
I thought about getting a tuner on line and trying to download it myself, but that will probably end badly and I'd have to have all of it redone anyway.
For those that have experienced this, convince me which way to go please.
Here is where I have some questions.
On my previous bike, I had the V&H Monster Rounds on my stock headpipes with the stock A/C. They did the download flash and the bike ran great.
They are telling me that with the new headpipe and slip-ons, the bike won't run right if I don't do the A/C also as it will not be getting enough air. So... another $150 added to the bill.
And now, they say the download probably won't work with that set-up and I'll probably be getting a lot of decel popping. (I know it'll still be lean, but I had planned on piggy backing a Xied with it).
Anyway, we're going to try it first, and if it isn't running right, I guess I'll bite the bullet and get their Super Tuner (supposedly the old race tuner) for almost $400.00. Then they say it'll need to be dyno tuned (another $400.00).
WTF have I gotten into?? All I wanted was a little better sound, and get rid of some of the heat.
Will it be worth it to do the whole shebang?? I'm not looking to race it. I want reliability and trouble free operation more than anything.
I thought about getting a tuner on line and trying to download it myself, but that will probably end badly and I'd have to have all of it redone anyway.
For those that have experienced this, convince me which way to go please.