We joke about voiding the warranty. WELL....
#51
09-14-2013, 10:29 AM
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Amsoil does cause engine failures. A 2011 Mazda CX9 came into our shop one day, with internal engine noise.
Customer stated that he used Amsoil for his first and only oil change, which was just 5000 miles ago and the engine was deprived of oil. We only drained a 1/2 quart out of the oil Pans 6 quart capacity... The manufactur only paid 50% of the warranty claim citing the Amsoil as a cause of failure. The oil slipped past piston rings and burned without the customer knowing before it was too late.
While my bike is under warranty... I'm sucking it up and buying the Syn3 in case of any motor concerns under warranty as I don't want the Stealer or HD trying to pin it on me.
Customer stated that he used Amsoil for his first and only oil change, which was just 5000 miles ago and the engine was deprived of oil. We only drained a 1/2 quart out of the oil Pans 6 quart capacity... The manufactur only paid 50% of the warranty claim citing the Amsoil as a cause of failure. The oil slipped past piston rings and burned without the customer knowing before it was too late.
While my bike is under warranty... I'm sucking it up and buying the Syn3 in case of any motor concerns under warranty as I don't want the Stealer or HD trying to pin it on me.
#52
09-14-2013, 10:38 AM
If you do, then you don't understand how different oil types are rated.
#53
09-14-2013, 10:43 AM
I hate oil threads but...Huh??? I agree with all three statements but they don't really tie together...Harleys might break oil down faster ( I would blame that on heat and not the sheer factor)...Bikes that share a transmission with the engine oil might break down oil faster (only sportsters do this...the rest have three separate oils...) Even if transmissions sheer oil faster, they don't share the same oil as the engine...What were you trying to say?
#55
09-14-2013, 11:11 AM
A Harley is one of the lowest revving engines out there. I would think their sheering (shearing?) would be less than the high revving engines. Transmissions, I would think, all sheer at the same rate, based on mph. Plus, Harleys have a separate tranny and primary, unlike most other cycles which are unit construction.
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#56
09-14-2013, 11:43 AM
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That bulletin should read, Purpose: Push more SYN3 to scare customers into using HD oil because we're losing customers to other brands.
#57
09-14-2013, 11:55 AM
One thing is for certain. He lost 50% of the cost of a new engine because somebody didn't teach him right. You fill the tank full when you get fuel and check the oil every time you do it. As important as oil is, that's a no compromise rule for me. And on a motorcycle? I won't start one (at the beginning of the day) without checking the oil; on a long ride, every time I get fuel.
A Harley is one of the lowest revving engines out there. I would think their sheering (shearing?) would be less than the high revving engines. Transmissions, I would think, all sheer at the same rate, based on mph. Plus, Harleys have a separate tranny and primary, unlike most other cycles which are unit construction.
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09-14-2013, 12:14 PM
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09-14-2013, 01:37 PM
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Amsoil does cause engine failures. A 2011 Mazda CX9 came into our shop one day, with internal engine noise.
Customer stated that he used Amsoil for his first and only oil change, which was just 5000 miles ago and the engine was deprived of oil. We only drained a 1/2 quart out of the oil Pans 6 quart capacity... The manufactur only paid 50% of the warranty claim citing the Amsoil as a cause of failure. The oil slipped past piston rings and burned without the customer knowing before it was too late.
While my bike is under warranty... I'm sucking it up and buying the Syn3 in case of any motor concerns under warranty as I don't want the Stealer or HD trying to pin it on me.
Customer stated that he used Amsoil for his first and only oil change, which was just 5000 miles ago and the engine was deprived of oil. We only drained a 1/2 quart out of the oil Pans 6 quart capacity... The manufactur only paid 50% of the warranty claim citing the Amsoil as a cause of failure. The oil slipped past piston rings and burned without the customer knowing before it was too late.
While my bike is under warranty... I'm sucking it up and buying the Syn3 in case of any motor concerns under warranty as I don't want the Stealer or HD trying to pin it on me.
Does this mean that the million or two engines that are using Amsoil are going to fail or have already failed ? A vehicle manufacturer making the claim that the a certain oil brand is so slippery that is slipped past the rings may actually be most preposterous thing I've ever heard.
I don't know who the manufacturer is but that is a giant leap to say the least.
Also, why wouldn't the customer file a claim with Amsoil under their warranty? Which states in part.
WHAT AMSOIL WILL DO TO CORRECT A COVERED DEFECT:
If the AMSOIL lubricant is defective in materials, design and workmanship, AMSOIL will (1) replace the defective lubricant;
and (2) at AMSOIL’s option and cost, repair or replace components damaged by the defective AMSOIL lubricant. REPAIR
OR REPLACEMENT, AS PROVIDED IN THIS PARAGRAPH, IS THE CONSUMER’S SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE
REMEDY UNDER THIS LIMITED WARRANTY.
Answer: Because nobody would ever be able to prove that it happened.
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09-14-2013, 06:55 PM
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A Harley is one of the lowest revving engines out there. I would think their sheering (shearing?) would be less than the high revving engines. Transmissions, I would think, all sheer at the same rate, based on mph. Plus, Harleys have a separate tranny and primary, unlike most other cycles which are unit construction.