Just pulled my plugs. Too lean??
#1
Just pulled my plugs. Too lean??
I recently got this bike, so I'm not sure about the prior service history. The SE 103 motor has 18,000 miles on it. I'm in the process of going over everything any replacing all of the necessary parts. I pulled the plugs, which by the look of them could be the originals from 2006. The threads were covered in carbon, but the tip was white. The plug gap was pretty wide, although I didn't measure it.
Based on the pics/ description, does the white on the tip mean its running lean? I realize the only way to be sure on the air/fuel mixture is to get a dyno with a wideband o2 reading, I'm just looking for an idea. BTW the motor runs great, both before and after the plug change, however there is a decent amount of decel pop.
Thanks
Erik
Based on the pics/ description, does the white on the tip mean its running lean? I realize the only way to be sure on the air/fuel mixture is to get a dyno with a wideband o2 reading, I'm just looking for an idea. BTW the motor runs great, both before and after the plug change, however there is a decent amount of decel pop.
Thanks
Erik
#2
Those are some old/weather-beaten plugs! I hope the rest of the bike isn't that rusted up.
White is indicative of being too lean. Tan to grey is indicative of a proper A/F mixture. Only way to definitively know is to put in on a dyno.
White is indicative of being too lean. Tan to grey is indicative of a proper A/F mixture. Only way to definitively know is to put in on a dyno.
#4
I'll see what the local shop charges for a simple dyno with o2 reading. If its in the area of $100 I might just wait till I get a tuner installed before I hit the rollers.
Elfnyc-
Thanks for the picture.
#5
I recently got this bike, so I'm not sure about the prior service history. The SE 103 motor has 18,000 miles on it. I'm in the process of going over everything any replacing all of the necessary parts. I pulled the plugs, which by the look of them could be the originals from 2006. The threads were covered in carbon, but the tip was white. The plug gap was pretty wide, although I didn't measure it.
Based on the pics/ description, does the white on the tip mean its running lean? I realize the only way to be sure on the air/fuel mixture is to get a dyno with a wideband o2 reading, I'm just looking for an idea. BTW the motor runs great, both before and after the plug change, however there is a decent amount of decel pop.
Thanks
Erik
Based on the pics/ description, does the white on the tip mean its running lean? I realize the only way to be sure on the air/fuel mixture is to get a dyno with a wideband o2 reading, I'm just looking for an idea. BTW the motor runs great, both before and after the plug change, however there is a decent amount of decel pop.
Thanks
Erik
#6
Judging from the chart above, looks like they've got some ash from fuel additives. I've seen this on a car I owned twenty years ago... was running premium fuel (94 octane) and the plugs weren't gapped properly. Solution was gapping the plugs and changing brands of fuel every fillup. The plugs should be clean with a slightly tan insulator, with minimal carbon deposits. You can diagnose an AFR problem with a simple 'plug chop' procedure at different throttle positions. It will at least give you a ballpark idea for an EFI motor. Tuning it is a whole 'nother can of worms.
#7
It is fuel injected, but what does that have to do with it? I don't doubt you, just never heard that before. Keep in mind I'm only looking for a general idea of the operating condition of the motor. From what I remember, a whiteish tip generally means a hot (or lean) condition, but I was looking for some confirmation on that.
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#10
heritageblue has a basic description of a plug chop. You ride the bike at a steady rpm for a bit, pull the clutch and hit the kill switch. Coast to a stop and pull the plugs on the spot to get the most accurate reading. This needs to be done at three different throttle positions: off-idle, mid throttle, and WFO to get an overall picture of your AFR. Also needs to be done with fairly fresh plugs. This is your guide to tuning a carburetor, but it can give you an idea if your EFI is working properly or you need to invest in a tuner. Plenty info on the interwebs on spark plug chop.