Pushing your limits - rehash
#11
07-20-2011 | 08:04 AM
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so we've been talking about the merits of ....
no actually you were doing most of the talking
ok, i'll speak real slowly so you you can follow along.
nothing like being a pompous ***.
practicing emergency maneuvers is not a bad thing.
no kidding
so i guess you are the new narcissistic self-appointed guru of all things motorcycle. Or is it you are just real good at polly-parroting what you just read in some book.
no actually you were doing most of the talking
ok, i'll speak real slowly so you you can follow along.
nothing like being a pompous ***.
practicing emergency maneuvers is not a bad thing.
no kidding
so i guess you are the new narcissistic self-appointed guru of all things motorcycle. Or is it you are just real good at polly-parroting what you just read in some book.
#12
07-20-2011 | 08:13 AM
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So we've been talking about the merits of practicing locked rear wheel braking and controlling the bike through crossed up turns on a couple of other threads.
No actually you were doing most of the talking
OK, I'll speak real slowly so you you can follow along.
Nothing like being a pompous ***.
Practicing emergency maneuvers is not a bad thing.
No kidding
So I guess you are the new narcissistic self-appointed Guru of all things motorcycle. Or is it you are just real good at Polly-parroting what you just read in some book.
No actually you were doing most of the talking
OK, I'll speak real slowly so you you can follow along.
Nothing like being a pompous ***.
Practicing emergency maneuvers is not a bad thing.
No kidding
So I guess you are the new narcissistic self-appointed Guru of all things motorcycle. Or is it you are just real good at Polly-parroting what you just read in some book.
#14
07-20-2011 | 08:23 AM
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So we've been talking about the merits of practicing locked rear wheel braking and controlling the bike through crossed up turns on a couple of other threads. It's been interesting. There are those that understand why someone might like to push the limits under controlled circumstances, even if they have no desire to try it, and those that don't get it and never will. It's to the "never wills" that I'd like to aim my flame-thrower.
OK, I'll speak real slowly so you you can follow along. Those of us who get it understand that corners should be taken slowly enough that the bike doesn't slide out, and we understand the principles of efficient braking. But in the real world, **** happens. Oil, diesel, gravel, sand, rain; all make for a less than ideal driving surface. So you may be riding along, with or without your Harley-branded underwear, when all of a sudden your riding experience goes to **** because you find yourself in an emergency situation that you have never before encountered. Practicing emergency maneuvers is not a bad thing. Fixed wing pilots do dead stick landings, rotary pilots practice tail rotor malfunctions, FEMA does disaster preparedness drills. Do you need to tell the pilots that the best way to land a plane is with the propulsion systems operational? Hell no, but that's what you've been doing.
So I'll leave those of you who don't get it with this thought to ponder:
You will never master your machine, and your Harley will always be far more capable than you are.
Yes, it's a Harley. '74 Ironhead.
OK, I'll speak real slowly so you you can follow along. Those of us who get it understand that corners should be taken slowly enough that the bike doesn't slide out, and we understand the principles of efficient braking. But in the real world, **** happens. Oil, diesel, gravel, sand, rain; all make for a less than ideal driving surface. So you may be riding along, with or without your Harley-branded underwear, when all of a sudden your riding experience goes to **** because you find yourself in an emergency situation that you have never before encountered. Practicing emergency maneuvers is not a bad thing. Fixed wing pilots do dead stick landings, rotary pilots practice tail rotor malfunctions, FEMA does disaster preparedness drills. Do you need to tell the pilots that the best way to land a plane is with the propulsion systems operational? Hell no, but that's what you've been doing.
So I'll leave those of you who don't get it with this thought to ponder:
You will never master your machine, and your Harley will always be far more capable than you are.
Yes, it's a Harley. '74 Ironhead.Some of what you say makes no sense or is contradictory to the point you are trying to make. This one for example:
So you may be riding along, with or without your Harley-branded underwear, when all of a sudden your riding experience goes to **** because you find yourself in an emergency situation that you have never before encountered
Start over and try it again.
#16
07-20-2011 | 10:28 AM
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Have ridden aggressively all my life.For years have been setting up bikes with excellent brakes,correct suspension geometry and much better shocks.Always use both ends when slowing down or panic stops.A very good instinct to have.
#17
07-20-2011 | 10:38 AM
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Grew up riding on dirt. Being young and not having to be totally responsible to find the green to keep the machines going---we pushed them. Extreme riding on a bike that is built to be abused teaches skills. Those skills get rusty but never go away. I put my Heritage into a back wheel locked up slide and had the rear end of the bike coming around me to the right side. Front wheel was turned into the slide pinned with the right handlebar almost to the tank. It was not planned but from riding dirt--I didn't panic. I rode it till I bled enough speed off to almost put a foot down to catch the left side lean of the bike. Inexperienced rider might have made the right choice and kept the back brake locked up ---but they might of made the wrong choice and released the brake and allowed the bike to high side. Bike stopped--I put foot down and straightened the bike up. I never dropped the bike and I never lost complete control of the bike. Those were learned skills from youth and dirt days. Holepuncher has a point---too many people ride thier big motorcycles without knowing what they can or can't do on a motorcycle. I miss pushing a bike to its limits on dirt but I don't miss hurting when I screwed up.
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#18
07-20-2011 | 12:45 PM
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Maybe I need to re-install the Breathalyzer on my laptop, but I'm still laughing at some of the flames so it was worth it. The only disappointing part is that the posters that I was flaming probably won't realize that they were the target and I just came off looking like an asshat.
In the words of Sailor in Wild at Heart, "I'd like to apologize to you gentlemen for referring to you all as homosexuals. You taught me a valuable lesson in life."
In the words of Sailor in Wild at Heart, "I'd like to apologize to you gentlemen for referring to you all as homosexuals. You taught me a valuable lesson in life."
#19
07-20-2011 | 12:59 PM
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Grew up riding on dirt. Being young and not having to be totally responsible to find the green to keep the machines going---we pushed them. Extreme riding on a bike that is built to be abused teaches skills. Those skills get rusty but never go away. I put my Heritage into a back wheel locked up slide and had the rear end of the bike coming around me to the right side. Front wheel was turned into the slide pinned with the right handlebar almost to the tank. It was not planned but from riding dirt--I didn't panic. I rode it till I bled enough speed off to almost put a foot down to catch the left side lean of the bike. Inexperienced rider might have made the right choice and kept the back brake locked up ---but they might of made the wrong choice and released the brake and allowed the bike to high side. Bike stopped--I put foot down and straightened the bike up. I never dropped the bike and I never lost complete control of the bike. Those were learned skills from youth and dirt days. Holepuncher has a point---too many people ride thier big motorcycles without knowing what they can or can't do on a motorcycle. I miss pushing a bike to its limits on dirt but I don't miss hurting when I screwed up.
We had a bike meet about a month ago. 4000+ bikes all parked on grass. I can't tell you how many bikes went down because they grabbed front brake when the forks were turned, or locked the rear and got crossed up, or gave it too much power in a turn. An old dirt biker, even if it's been 40 years, has the advantage of having made those mistakes on a cheap bike. Now I'm probably jinxing myself and will drop it in my gravel driveway.
#20
07-20-2011 | 01:23 PM
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Some of what you say makes no sense or is contradictory to the point you are trying to make. This one for example:
Your riding experience will NEVER go to **** if you find yourself in an emergency situation. On the contrary, that is what will get you through those kind of experiences. Wasn't that the whole point of your post anyways?
Your riding experience will NEVER go to **** if you find yourself in an emergency situation. On the contrary, that is what will get you through those kind of experiences. Wasn't that the whole point of your post anyways?
Start over and try it again.
