Biker dies during helmet protest
#21
07-03-2011, 10:53 AM
Road Master
Brenn again makes good sense, cept to the sheep that want to bend over for anything big brother wants. Guess what, before you find that incapacitated, no-helmet biker you're caring for, you'll have to dig through the other 999,999 non-citizens, illegals and welfare cases with everything from a gunshot wound to AIDS. We probably pay more for medical care for our small death row population than we do for disabled bikers here. Then you can complain that a tiny fraction of a penny of what you pay in taxes to support the poor went to support a disabled biker who didn't have his own incurance. If you think you should be able to dictate how somebody lives, based on that fraction of a cent that they never asked you to pay for them to begin with, maybe another country would be more suitable to your political leanings (although this one has just about come around to your thinking, unfortunately).
#22
07-03-2011, 10:58 AM
You are absolutely correct. The disabled can qualify for healthcare coverage through Medicare for the rest of their lives. It's been said that your freedom ends where someone else's nose begins. Does your freedom end where someone else's wallet begins? Should you be required to bankroll all consequences of your own actions? Thoughts to ponder.
#24
07-03-2011, 11:04 AM
Guess what, before you find that incapacitated, no-helmet biker you're caring for, you'll have to dig through the other 999,999 non-citizens, illegals and welfare cases with everything from a gunshot wound to AIDS. We probably pay more for medical care for our small death row population than we do for disabled bikers here. Then you can complain that a tiny fraction of a penny of what you pay in taxes to support the poor went to support a disabled biker who didn't have his own incurance. If you think you should be able to dictate how somebody lives, based on that fraction of a cent that they never asked you to pay for them to begin with, maybe another country would be more suitable to your political leanings (although this one has just about come around to your thinking, unfortunately).
#25
07-03-2011, 11:11 AM
Seasoned HDF Member
Helmets help a lot on low speed crashes...over a certain speed your brain hits your skull...and you have injury or death. Every person I know that was killed on a bike was from head injury and the were wearing a DOT lid. I always wear a helmet but, I sure as hell don't want the government telling me I have to.
#26
07-03-2011, 11:22 AM
Road Captain
Originally Posted by CasaWolves
Unfortunately, it often hurts a lot of communities. When a rider survives a serious head injury and ends up incapacitated, more often than not, the community has to care for the poor fool. And our tax money goes to care for him.
Unfortunately, it often hurts a lot of communities. When a rider survives a serious head injury and ends up incapacitated, more often than not, the community has to care for the poor fool. And our tax money goes to care for him.
You are absolutely correct. The disabled can qualify for healthcare coverage through Medicare for the rest of their lives. It's been said that your freedom ends where someone else's nose begins. Does your freedom end where someone else's wallet begins? Should you be required to bankroll all consequences of your own actions? Thoughts to ponder.
Don't pass laws that say you have to take care of others then use that as an excuse to force them to give up their freedom. The person riding without a helmet was not affecting anyone until the law saying his health care would be paid for. So who caused the problem the helmet-less rider or the person who wanted the original law?
Michael
#28
07-03-2011, 11:40 AM
Police say that based on evidence at the scene and from doctors, Contos would have survived if he had been wearing a DOT-Approved helmet.
BTW Id rather die free, than live yolked. But then Im an older American.
and I would NEVER wear a full face helmet.
#29
07-03-2011, 12:18 PM
Some of you guys may recall this better than I, but wasn't there a proposal a while back that would allow all riders the option of signing a waiver freeing the state from any medical care and responsibility? In other words a helmetless rider goes down and suffers tramautic brain injury leaving him/her in a incapaciated vegetative condition. That waiver would free care givers and the state of the responsibility and the expense of having to care for them. They would just be left untreated and uncared for to eventually die. The upside is that it would save the state and insurance companies millions in health care treatment costs which would be passed on to the consumer. The downside is that families who really care for the rider would no doubt go bankrupt with care and treatment. No one gets to play God, and signing that waiver is the ultimate example of a riders freedom of choice.
What ever happend to that proposal?
What ever happend to that proposal?
