I'm guessing this had a lot to do with the patch.
#141
06-01-2011, 05:41 AM
I don't know why you guys defend three patch wearing thugs, why look at that Shooting at Sturgis in 2008, when that M/C member shot that Hell's Angel. Oh, wait, that 3 patch wearing outlaw was an Iron Pig. An LEO club who tries to emulate the 1% lifestyle.http://www.scooternews.net/node/2191
#142
06-01-2011, 06:36 AM
Seasoned HDF Member
I don't know why you guys defend three patch wearing thugs, why look at that Shooting at Sturgis in 2008, when that M/C member shot that Hell's Angel. Oh, wait, that 3 patch wearing outlaw was an Iron Pig. An LEO club who tries to emulate the 1% lifestyle.http://www.scooternews.net/node/2191
#143
06-01-2011, 07:26 AM
I'm seeing this picture...
This picture...
The picture the other guy posted and the video and ask myself 3 questions. First, why would the news service have to blot out faces? Doesn't make sense.
Second, there are officers there that are obviously not in uniform other than a bullet proof vest with "POLICE" on the back.
Third, why would the camera crew show up for this and how did they get there so 'soon'?
For the first question, in one photo it looks like a biker may have his face blotted out but that could also be one of the officers with just a vest on too. In the second picture above it looks like another biker is walking across the field with his face blurred out. Why are these folks getting their faces blurred out but yet all the rest of the bikers aren't getting this treatment?
Next, the officer in the first picture above in jeans, a t-shirt, and a vest with his face blurred. Since when do officer's off duty show up for a routine stop? Seems to me as though he would be part of a special unit...possibly a gang unit or undercover unit...which would also explain his blocked out face.
Third, the camera crew. It takes a good sized story and some time to roll out a camera crew to a scene like that one.
This has all the red flags of this being a planned stop, not a routine stop. This doesn't mean they weren't pulled over illegally...it's surprisingly easy to find a reason to pull someone over...but I don't believe this was "routine" as the story makes it to believe. The officers knew they were coming, they prepared for it, waited for the group to do something wrong, had marked unit(s) innitiate the stop, then rolled in the special units.
This picture...
The picture the other guy posted and the video and ask myself 3 questions. First, why would the news service have to blot out faces? Doesn't make sense.
Second, there are officers there that are obviously not in uniform other than a bullet proof vest with "POLICE" on the back.
Third, why would the camera crew show up for this and how did they get there so 'soon'?
For the first question, in one photo it looks like a biker may have his face blotted out but that could also be one of the officers with just a vest on too. In the second picture above it looks like another biker is walking across the field with his face blurred out. Why are these folks getting their faces blurred out but yet all the rest of the bikers aren't getting this treatment?
Next, the officer in the first picture above in jeans, a t-shirt, and a vest with his face blurred. Since when do officer's off duty show up for a routine stop? Seems to me as though he would be part of a special unit...possibly a gang unit or undercover unit...which would also explain his blocked out face.
Third, the camera crew. It takes a good sized story and some time to roll out a camera crew to a scene like that one.
This has all the red flags of this being a planned stop, not a routine stop. This doesn't mean they weren't pulled over illegally...it's surprisingly easy to find a reason to pull someone over...but I don't believe this was "routine" as the story makes it to believe. The officers knew they were coming, they prepared for it, waited for the group to do something wrong, had marked unit(s) innitiate the stop, then rolled in the special units.
Third question, camera crews come across stories may have been in the area and heard it on the scanner.
I see no suspisious activity here considering the reputation these guys have. Good for the cops.
#144
06-01-2011, 07:32 AM
This matters because of the profiling. I wear a Grateful Dead patch on my vest because they are my favorite band and an Eagle/flag patch because I was in the military and respect my country. Last fall I was pulled over, he did not pull out until I was past him and he thought he saw a three patch setup. I was going 60 on the nose, in the left hand lane. He pulled me over and said that I was doing 65 and that traveling in the left hand lane was not legal except to pass. It was total BS. I went to court and the judge threw out the lane violation but had to get me for something so the over the speed stuck even though I was not speeding. Profiling sucks.
#145
06-01-2011, 04:26 PM
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OK, so I'm now a criminal, bomb carrying terrorist nut job who was not abused by this fine officer just because I was riding a motorcycle with a band patch on the back of my vest. UP YOURS, I hope you get profiled and get to go to court and pay a fine and have it go on your record.
#147
06-01-2011, 07:00 PM
My residence is relatively close to where the MMC were pulled over. Idaho
State Police and Boise Police aren't hicks nor small town buffoons. FWIW,
the Boise Metro Area population is ~620,000 which is the largest in Idaho.
There's no doubt in my mind that that this stop was orchestrated by the
LEO task force with KTVB (most watched news media in the region) right
there filming away. Ironically, KTVB didn't telecast that segment until a
around 20 minutes into their 1/2 hour program. They were objective in
that presentation.
However, KMVT in Twin Falls, ID (South Central Idaho) went with "Police
pull over biker gang members shutting down one lane of freeway" along
with an online video: http://www.kmvt.com/news/local/122731824.html
In that video it's obvious that the MMC was not blocking one lane of the
freeway ... LEO vehicles were the culprits. They could've escorted those
20 motorcycles to the next freeway off-ramp as opposed to hosting that
spectacle alongside eastbound I-84.
They were supposedly pulled over for speeding through a construction zone
with one guy arrested for an outstanding warrant. Unfortunately, the LEOs
turned the whole episode into a huge production, and caused traffic delays.
Got the impression that they were enroute to Torrey, UT from Oregon. They
were just passing through minding their own business.
However, Wayne County in Utah where the MMC was enjoying their annual
Memorial Day Run, had about 70 LEOs monitoring the club, and managed to
issue around 100 citations and made one unspecified arrest. Here's the link:
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=15766350
Getting back to Idaho, I relocated here with my family back in 2002, and try
to keep a low profile based on years of experience in previous locations. Have
not been stopped once while riding in ID or the adjoining states despite being
an assertive recreational motorcyclist (just had to throw that in). Wearing a
FF lid and black mesh tex jacket seems to have made a difference. Have been
stopped once by Boise Police and 4 times by Ada County Sheriff while caging
it, but got warnings rather than tickets.
At any rate, the more we look like so-called outlaw bikers, the more likely we
are to get profiled and stopped with trumped-up charges. If anyone was to
form a new M/C with a patch, be it 3-piece, 2-piece, or 1-piece, I'd suggest
looking into a rectangular bottom rocker with the club name, and nothing else.
Respects,
-=Grumbler
State Police and Boise Police aren't hicks nor small town buffoons. FWIW,
the Boise Metro Area population is ~620,000 which is the largest in Idaho.
There's no doubt in my mind that that this stop was orchestrated by the
LEO task force with KTVB (most watched news media in the region) right
there filming away. Ironically, KTVB didn't telecast that segment until a
around 20 minutes into their 1/2 hour program. They were objective in
that presentation.
However, KMVT in Twin Falls, ID (South Central Idaho) went with "Police
pull over biker gang members shutting down one lane of freeway" along
with an online video: http://www.kmvt.com/news/local/122731824.html
In that video it's obvious that the MMC was not blocking one lane of the
freeway ... LEO vehicles were the culprits. They could've escorted those
20 motorcycles to the next freeway off-ramp as opposed to hosting that
spectacle alongside eastbound I-84.
They were supposedly pulled over for speeding through a construction zone
with one guy arrested for an outstanding warrant. Unfortunately, the LEOs
turned the whole episode into a huge production, and caused traffic delays.
Got the impression that they were enroute to Torrey, UT from Oregon. They
were just passing through minding their own business.
However, Wayne County in Utah where the MMC was enjoying their annual
Memorial Day Run, had about 70 LEOs monitoring the club, and managed to
issue around 100 citations and made one unspecified arrest. Here's the link:
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=15766350
Getting back to Idaho, I relocated here with my family back in 2002, and try
to keep a low profile based on years of experience in previous locations. Have
not been stopped once while riding in ID or the adjoining states despite being
an assertive recreational motorcyclist (just had to throw that in). Wearing a
FF lid and black mesh tex jacket seems to have made a difference. Have been
stopped once by Boise Police and 4 times by Ada County Sheriff while caging
it, but got warnings rather than tickets.
At any rate, the more we look like so-called outlaw bikers, the more likely we
are to get profiled and stopped with trumped-up charges. If anyone was to
form a new M/C with a patch, be it 3-piece, 2-piece, or 1-piece, I'd suggest
looking into a rectangular bottom rocker with the club name, and nothing else.
Respects,
-=Grumbler
#148
06-02-2011, 04:55 AM
Road Master
OK, so I'm now a criminal, bomb carrying terrorist nut job who was not abused by this fine officer just because I was riding a motorcycle with a band patch on the back of my vest. UP YOURS, I hope you get profiled and get to go to court and pay a fine and have it go on your record.
#149
06-02-2011, 05:24 AM
If I get convicted of something I did then I have no right to cry about it, other than, I was stupid enough to do said offence.
#150
06-02-2011, 06:28 AM
Unfrigginbelievable...
It's so sad, it's almost funny. Doesn't matter what the cops do, you'll always have some do-gooders who will back them up. If a cop is caught doing something he isn't supposed to, this board has always a badge bunny or two who will beat the "there must be more to the story then meets the eye" horse.
Now, profiling is OK. Just for 1%ers of course. Not for black people, arabians, or anything else. But 1%ers, well, that's different.
It is amazing that this country has been founded by people who wanted everybody to be equal before the law. You always compliant, law abiding nice guys are the disease of this great nation, not the freedom loving bikers. You will take anything, as long as a person with a shiny badge and a fancy uniform will do it. There's no questionning of authorities in your household, huh?
You can see Mongols being searched on the side of the road. Now, please explain me what 20 guys on motorcycles could possibly have in plain site, that would justify a group search. Is speeding reason enough to go through your stuff while you stand there handcuffed? The governemtn takes you freedom away, piece by piece, little by little. What they need is guys like you, with no ***** to stand up, and the inability to know an injustice when it bites them in the ***. You help them. Good job.
It's so sad, it's almost funny. Doesn't matter what the cops do, you'll always have some do-gooders who will back them up. If a cop is caught doing something he isn't supposed to, this board has always a badge bunny or two who will beat the "there must be more to the story then meets the eye" horse.
Now, profiling is OK. Just for 1%ers of course. Not for black people, arabians, or anything else. But 1%ers, well, that's different.
It is amazing that this country has been founded by people who wanted everybody to be equal before the law. You always compliant, law abiding nice guys are the disease of this great nation, not the freedom loving bikers. You will take anything, as long as a person with a shiny badge and a fancy uniform will do it. There's no questionning of authorities in your household, huh?
You can see Mongols being searched on the side of the road. Now, please explain me what 20 guys on motorcycles could possibly have in plain site, that would justify a group search. Is speeding reason enough to go through your stuff while you stand there handcuffed? The governemtn takes you freedom away, piece by piece, little by little. What they need is guys like you, with no ***** to stand up, and the inability to know an injustice when it bites them in the ***. You help them. Good job.