Anyone ride without a motorcycle license?
#81
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Driving without a licence and getting caught by the police, and ultimately fined, is the least of your problems. If you were unfortunate enough to be involved in an accident, YOU would be held responsible regardless if you were at fault or not. Insurance would not cover you. NOw .. Do the math.
and multiply expotentially if someone were to get injured in that accident.
and multiply expotentially if someone were to get injured in that accident.
It may be a lot of fun being really cool and flaunting laws, but the price could be far more than you think. I know guys who have lost their driver's licenses, had to pay mega bucks in fines, towing charges and impound fees, and if you have an accident with no license your insurance contract is the value of toilet paper.
#83
Truthfully I think having my motorcycle license has gotten me out of a few well deserved tickets. I check my attitude and produce all requested paperwork and roll off with a warning more often than a citation.
I think the little "M1" on my license has helped.
I think the little "M1" on my license has helped.
#84
Yes, I rode without a motorcycle endorsement on my license for many years. I have had one off and on since I was 14 years old. Remember something about cc restrictions but that was a long time ago. I have one now because I could see the changes coming by the nanny state. The whiners who think that a license makes the rider are stupid. I see lots of stupid people riding all types of motorcycles with the skill sets of a dope smoking, head injury study lab monkeys that most likely have a license. A license is nothing but a tax and tracking device. I could understand using it to meet minimal standards to ride but once that is passed then it just becomes revenue.
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There was a small operation working out of Bergen County that took potential riders to their test on a small scooter because they couldn't even come close to passing on their own larger bike.
It was a riot to see them ride off on the 50cc scooter, pass , then come back and get on a full sized tourer or 1100 racer. Organ donors.
I heard NJ might move to a tiered style MC endorsement.
It was a riot to see them ride off on the 50cc scooter, pass , then come back and get on a full sized tourer or 1100 racer. Organ donors.
I heard NJ might move to a tiered style MC endorsement.
Not necessarily, My dad used to ride an 89 tour glide. Now my dad's about 5'6-5'7''. When he finally went to take his test he couldn't do a figure 8 on that big bike.
The guy passed him anyway, said he would have got it on anything smaller than that big cruiser.
I personally took the MSF doing a figure 8 on 250 is by far easier than doing it on 550+lb harley. Plus I didn't know how to ride back than. I went from never operation a motorcycle/dirt bike or manual transmission to being able to ride in a day's time. The instructor said I improved the most after the second day.
Well I damn well better have I only stalled that freaking 250 50 times the first day.
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I took my MC endorsement test when I got my drivers license back in 1972 in Minnesota. It consisted of about 25 yes or no questions. No drivers test or anything else. In the 6 states I have been licensed in since then, its just been a couple dollars more to add it. But no, I never rode without a legal endorsement.
#87
Are you serious? Nobody has ever ridden without a motorcycle endorsement. That would be against the law! Who's going to admit they're a law breakin' criminal, just waitin' to be arrested? Not me!
#89
Back in the day when I started riding, Idaho didn't require an endorsement. Moved across the border to mama Washington and had to do all kinds of things to get legally licensed.
Today in the state of WA, getting your endorsement is actually a bit of a joke. You can take your rider's test on a friggin' moped (49cc), pass the test and then legally ride any size bike you want. That doesn't make much sense to me. WA used to require that whatever bike you took the rider's test with, that was the classification of bike you could legally ride (i.e., take the test on an 1100, that qualified you for bikes 650cc or higher).
Today in the state of WA, getting your endorsement is actually a bit of a joke. You can take your rider's test on a friggin' moped (49cc), pass the test and then legally ride any size bike you want. That doesn't make much sense to me. WA used to require that whatever bike you took the rider's test with, that was the classification of bike you could legally ride (i.e., take the test on an 1100, that qualified you for bikes 650cc or higher).
#90
Just to clarify about being held responsible regardless, this is untrue. Not having a license does not hold you automatically at fault in an accident, just like not having insurance does not make you instantly responsible. That being said, your insurance does 100% have the right not to cover you, and will likely exercise this right. I knew a guy who was being a moron and totaled his 2003 Mach 1, had a suspended license. The insurance denied his claim.
Here in Tennessee, a lack of endorsement can mean impound and some hefty fines. Don't know if you can be arrested like you could if you were caught with no license at all, but I can easily see this being a possibility. A friend of mine recently got snagged with no class M, and got a ticket for around $600. That is about 50% more expensive than taking the RSC, which you get your license at the end of, so riding without one is not anymore cost affective. If you pass on the course and just get your endorsement, the cost is dirt cheap. Either way, get the endorsement.
Here in Tennessee, a lack of endorsement can mean impound and some hefty fines. Don't know if you can be arrested like you could if you were caught with no license at all, but I can easily see this being a possibility. A friend of mine recently got snagged with no class M, and got a ticket for around $600. That is about 50% more expensive than taking the RSC, which you get your license at the end of, so riding without one is not anymore cost affective. If you pass on the course and just get your endorsement, the cost is dirt cheap. Either way, get the endorsement.