Protecting your lane?
#11
I don't think one can "protect one's lane".... in any contest between a bike and a car... the bike is going to come up "short"
What the OP describes, seems to me, is more of keeping the other vehicle operators AWARE of the bike/rider's presence.
Each vehicle occupies their lane... a bike might be "seen" as an empty spot, by another (passing) vehicle. a slow, but deliberate "weave" within the bike's lane, will present a view of the bike, and the movement, is more likely to attract a driver's attention, thn remaining in one (relative) position
What the OP describes, seems to me, is more of keeping the other vehicle operators AWARE of the bike/rider's presence.
Each vehicle occupies their lane... a bike might be "seen" as an empty spot, by another (passing) vehicle. a slow, but deliberate "weave" within the bike's lane, will present a view of the bike, and the movement, is more likely to attract a driver's attention, thn remaining in one (relative) position
#12
I was taught to "command my position " when riding ..... call it what you like ... to me it means my *** is my own for another day ..... if the cage's don't like it well it will just have to go in my IN tray and i'll take a look later!.....
#13
hell yeah protect ya lane
I remember the first time I was sitting at a stoplight in the left third of the right lane and a cage squeezed in and almost hit me turning on red. I was pissed. So now I hold the bike in the right side blocking people from turning right next to me. That is not aggressive driving. That is a defensive response to others aggresion. I don't have to literally kill myself letting others take advantage of me.
#14
I remember the first time I was sitting at a stoplight in the left third of the right lane and a cage squeezed in and almost hit me turning on red. I was pissed. So now I hold the bike in the right side blocking people from turning right next to me. That is not aggressive driving. That is a defensive response to others aggresion. I don't have to literally kill myself letting others take advantage of me.
#15
Lots of good comments. MSF teaches the best lane position is the one that is appropriate for that moment in time....in other words, it is constantly changing depending on road conditions, other traffic, intersections, curves, blind curves, weather, etc.
One caution about stopping in the middle of a lane. You may find yourself on a more slippery surface than in either the left or right side, due to fluid droppings from other vehicles.
A cycle is a motor vehicle, and like all others, is entitled to the full use of the lane. This also includes other motorcyclists. They do not have "the right" to pass you in your lane, but in some states you may give them permission to do so, by waving them by.
When a car approaches you from the rear, by moving into the left third of your lane, you force them to use proper passing. If they cut it too close, you have the whole center and right side of the lane to get out of their way. MSF calls that a "space cushion."
One caution about stopping in the middle of a lane. You may find yourself on a more slippery surface than in either the left or right side, due to fluid droppings from other vehicles.
A cycle is a motor vehicle, and like all others, is entitled to the full use of the lane. This also includes other motorcyclists. They do not have "the right" to pass you in your lane, but in some states you may give them permission to do so, by waving them by.
When a car approaches you from the rear, by moving into the left third of your lane, you force them to use proper passing. If they cut it too close, you have the whole center and right side of the lane to get out of their way. MSF calls that a "space cushion."
#16
We have had several discussions on this in the last few years. Like the OP I was taught to control my lane and protect my position while demanding respect. That means I am here and give me room. I will not die over lane position or poorly chosen choices. I will analyze, anticipate, evade, survive. Then I will deal with the idiot that just tried to kill me by analyzing, anticipating, and doing what I think needs to be done if I choose. There are many ways to deal with idiots---the problem is not becoming an idiot doing it. I am also disgusted by the meek and weak.
#18
Lots of good comments. MSF teaches the best lane position is the one that is appropriate for that moment in time....in other words, it is constantly changing depending on road conditions, other traffic, intersections, curves, blind curves, weather, etc.
One caution about stopping in the middle of a lane. You may find yourself on a more slippery surface than in either the left or right side, due to fluid droppings from other vehicles.
A cycle is a motor vehicle, and like all others, is entitled to the full use of the lane. This also includes other motorcyclists. They do not have "the right" to pass you in your lane, but in some states you may give them permission to do so, by waving them by.
When a car approaches you from the rear, by moving into the left third of your lane, you force them to use proper passing. If they cut it too close, you have the whole center and right side of the lane to get out of their way. MSF calls that a "space cushion."
One caution about stopping in the middle of a lane. You may find yourself on a more slippery surface than in either the left or right side, due to fluid droppings from other vehicles.
A cycle is a motor vehicle, and like all others, is entitled to the full use of the lane. This also includes other motorcyclists. They do not have "the right" to pass you in your lane, but in some states you may give them permission to do so, by waving them by.
When a car approaches you from the rear, by moving into the left third of your lane, you force them to use proper passing. If they cut it too close, you have the whole center and right side of the lane to get out of their way. MSF calls that a "space cushion."
#19
Been riding a long time. Usually only ride on the side of the lane next to the yellow line, gives me a cushion of manuverability for the rest of my lane, and makes me more visable to oncoming traffic. If thats aggresive driving then I am an agressor. I always considered it was my lane when I'm there and I can use it however makes me feel safe and comfy.
#20
ALMOST always.
My friend's bagger went out from under him one morning on the way to breakfast (unmarked road construction debris) and hit a toyota. He gathered up his scuffed-up leathers and went and got his other bike and continued on to breakfast. The driver of the toyota left in an ambulance.
Back OT, I don't know if I call it "protecting my lane", but I try to make everybody aware that it's occupied. But I tend to move away from other people rather than hang around protecting a spot alongside of them.
My friend's bagger went out from under him one morning on the way to breakfast (unmarked road construction debris) and hit a toyota. He gathered up his scuffed-up leathers and went and got his other bike and continued on to breakfast. The driver of the toyota left in an ambulance.
Back OT, I don't know if I call it "protecting my lane", but I try to make everybody aware that it's occupied. But I tend to move away from other people rather than hang around protecting a spot alongside of them.