High Vis Gear & safety lighting?
#41
02-07-2011 | 01:49 PM
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From: Virginia
Your wife's argument can be taken to all sorts of levels without trying hard.... Such as
"I don't want our kids totally orphaned when..."
We're in a car together.
on a train together.
walking in the park together.
standing on a street corner together.
in the grocery store together.
when we're having sex together.
when we're on a cruise together.
when we're on vacation together.
This could get to be fun!!!
"I don't want our kids totally orphaned when..."
We're in a car together.
on a train together.
walking in the park together.
standing on a street corner together.
in the grocery store together.
when we're having sex together.
when we're on a cruise together.
when we're on vacation together.
This could get to be fun!!!
#42
02-07-2011 | 01:56 PM
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Your wife's argument can be taken to all sorts of levels without trying hard.... Such as
"I don't want our kids totally orphaned when..."
We're in a car together.
on a train together.
walking in the park together.
standing on a street corner together.
in the grocery store together.
when we're having sex together.
when we're on a cruise together.
when we're on vacation together.
"I don't want our kids totally orphaned when..."
We're in a car together.
on a train together.
walking in the park together.
standing on a street corner together.
in the grocery store together.
when we're having sex together.
when we're on a cruise together.
when we're on vacation together.
#43
02-07-2011 | 02:57 PM
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From: Northern California
Actually, when the off-hours is "safer", the cars (and me) are moving faster so the accident is likely to be more severe. And while you're dodging bullets in your much bigger car, you're a bigger target. Unless you're in a 'Smart' car.
Uhh, I could do the math but I don't remember how to do derivatives with variables.
I'm pretty sure we'll agree that everytime we get on a bike (or get in a car, by the way), there is risk. I'm still laughing at the fact that you will expose yourself to such a horrible risk just to show your friends your bike. Perhaps you actually enjoy riding it, too ?
Sitting in my car is boring. Riding my bike is not. I don't ride my bike to show it to anybody. I ride it to have fun. No math involved. If I was worried about the risk, whether it was 230 times the one-day risk or not, I wouldn't go to work at all. My wife makes enough to support both of us.
If I were to make the choice (between driving or riding) based on risk every time I thought about riding, why would I ride at all ?
I'm pretty sure we'll agree that everytime we get on a bike (or get in a car, by the way), there is risk. I'm still laughing at the fact that you will expose yourself to such a horrible risk just to show your friends your bike. Perhaps you actually enjoy riding it, too ?
Sitting in my car is boring. Riding my bike is not. I don't ride my bike to show it to anybody. I ride it to have fun. No math involved. If I was worried about the risk, whether it was 230 times the one-day risk or not, I wouldn't go to work at all. My wife makes enough to support both of us.
If I were to make the choice (between driving or riding) based on risk every time I thought about riding, why would I ride at all ?
#44
02-07-2011 | 03:12 PM
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Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 40
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From: Denver, Colorado
Your wife's argument can be taken to all sorts of levels without trying hard.... Such as
"I don't want our kids totally orphaned when..."
We're in a car together.
on a train together.
walking in the park together.
standing on a street corner together.
in the grocery store together.
when we're having sex together.
when we're on a cruise together.
when we're on vacation together.
This could get to be fun!!!
"I don't want our kids totally orphaned when..."
We're in a car together.
on a train together.
walking in the park together.
standing on a street corner together.
in the grocery store together.
when we're having sex together.
when we're on a cruise together.
when we're on vacation together.
This could get to be fun!!!
#45
02-07-2011 | 03:14 PM
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From: Illinois
Going to the hospital is more dangerous than riding a motorcycle. 125,000 people die each year from medical mistakes and very little is said or done about it. Around 5,000 per year on motorcycles and the media goes wild. There are the same number of murders each year. Falling in your home and other home incidents kills more.
Fishing is dangerous. Coroners find the drowned fisherman with his fly open and the boat with a lot of empty beer cans. Fisherman stands up to take a leak and falls in.
Driving a car is over 40,000 a year.
Let us not forget smoking and alcohol deaths.
The only dangerous thing is to be born because the fatality rate for that is 100 % certain that you will die.
Also, if there is any insurance money I will wager that within two years there will be a dude in her bed banging her and raising the kids. All will have forgotten about dear old dad.
Fishing is dangerous. Coroners find the drowned fisherman with his fly open and the boat with a lot of empty beer cans. Fisherman stands up to take a leak and falls in.
Driving a car is over 40,000 a year.
Let us not forget smoking and alcohol deaths.
The only dangerous thing is to be born because the fatality rate for that is 100 % certain that you will die.
Also, if there is any insurance money I will wager that within two years there will be a dude in her bed banging her and raising the kids. All will have forgotten about dear old dad.
#47
02-07-2011 | 03:42 PM
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No matter what, your skills and luck will determine the outcome.
Going to the hospital is more dangerous than riding a motorcycle. 125,000 people die each year from medical mistakes and very little is said or done about it.
I'm not sure what the point of your post is. Is it that there are things people do every day that could result in injury and death? If so, thanks for pointing that out.
Or are you trying to say that since there are other things that can go wrong and hurt you during other activities, than you shouldn't bother protecting yourself with visible gear when on a motorcycle?
#48
02-07-2011 | 04:11 PM
I agree with you, that extra lights probably help in more situations than high vis clothing, but consider that lights are down lower than your helmet or shoulders. I think it helps to be visible at the highest point of your ride, which is YOU.
I was riding behind this guy in all black a few months ago. IN addition to being in black head to toe, he had only ONE stop/tail light, and it was on the left side over a verticle license plate. It was dark out.
Let me tell you, when we would pass from a streetlight into darkness, this guy completely disappeared. It was so bad that I purposefully passed him when we hit a well lit stretch, because I was actually a little afraid of someone hitting him from the side and then me getting caught up in his wreck, or of hitting him myself.
the guy disappeared like it was a f'ing magic trick... never saw anything like it... totally invisible except for a tiny single red light that was mere inches above the ground level... damn.
I was riding behind this guy in all black a few months ago. IN addition to being in black head to toe, he had only ONE stop/tail light, and it was on the left side over a verticle license plate. It was dark out.
Let me tell you, when we would pass from a streetlight into darkness, this guy completely disappeared. It was so bad that I purposefully passed him when we hit a well lit stretch, because I was actually a little afraid of someone hitting him from the side and then me getting caught up in his wreck, or of hitting him myself.
the guy disappeared like it was a f'ing magic trick... never saw anything like it... totally invisible except for a tiny single red light that was mere inches above the ground level... damn.
#49
02-07-2011 | 04:22 PM
As well as the safety gear you choose to wear or not to wear.
Actually, a LOT is done about it, and that's why insurance for practicing medicine is so high.
I'm not sure what the point of your post is. Is it that there are things people do every day that could result in injury and death? If so, thanks for pointing that out.
Or are you trying to say that since there are other things that can go wrong and hurt you during other activities, than you shouldn't bother protecting yourself with visible gear when on a motorcycle?
Actually, a LOT is done about it, and that's why insurance for practicing medicine is so high.
I'm not sure what the point of your post is. Is it that there are things people do every day that could result in injury and death? If so, thanks for pointing that out.
Or are you trying to say that since there are other things that can go wrong and hurt you during other activities, than you shouldn't bother protecting yourself with visible gear when on a motorcycle?
#50
02-07-2011 | 04:36 PM
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Actually, when the off-hours is "safer", the cars (and me) are moving faster so the accident is likely to be more severe. And while you're dodging bullets in your much bigger car, you're a bigger target. Unless you're in a 'Smart' car.
Uhh, I could do the math but I don't remember how to do derivatives with variables.
I'm pretty sure we'll agree that everytime we get on a bike (or get in a car, by the way), there is risk. I'm still laughing at the fact that you will expose yourself to such a horrible risk just to show your friends your bike. Perhaps you actually enjoy riding it, too ?
Sitting in my car is boring. Riding my bike is not. I don't ride my bike to show it to anybody. I ride it to have fun. No math involved. If I was worried about the risk, whether it was 230 times the one-day risk or not, I wouldn't go to work at all. My wife makes enough to support both of us.
If I were to make the choice (between driving or riding) based on risk every time I thought about riding, why would I ride at all ?
Uhh, I could do the math but I don't remember how to do derivatives with variables.
I'm pretty sure we'll agree that everytime we get on a bike (or get in a car, by the way), there is risk. I'm still laughing at the fact that you will expose yourself to such a horrible risk just to show your friends your bike. Perhaps you actually enjoy riding it, too ?
Sitting in my car is boring. Riding my bike is not. I don't ride my bike to show it to anybody. I ride it to have fun. No math involved. If I was worried about the risk, whether it was 230 times the one-day risk or not, I wouldn't go to work at all. My wife makes enough to support both of us.
If I were to make the choice (between driving or riding) based on risk every time I thought about riding, why would I ride at all ?
Coming from a guy who works "off hours" and gets to ride after the idiots are already at work? Speaking about stuff that he has not experienced himself? Knows nothing about?
I am so honored.
