Tennessee Helmet Law
#81
01-25-2011, 08:21 AM
Tourer
Though the driver can be sued by the girl's family either way, with a ticket issued basically stating that it's the girl's fault, it becomes much, much easier for the driver to avoid being found liable in a civil case. Without that ticket, the driver is far more likely to be out a lot of money and live with skyrocketing insurance costs.
I hit a pedestrian who was crossing against the light (I had a green) and nowhere near the crosswalk. She wound up in the hospital for four months and almost died, and the police issued her a ticket for jaywalking. I believe this was pivotal in their decision not to sue me. Without that ticket, I'd have been f**ked.
Tickets exist for reasons beyond just revenue generation. They serve as an official record of fault, which carries implications beyond what people initially think.
Sorry for the quick tangent. Back to your regularly scheduled thread...
#82
01-25-2011, 08:43 AM
Elite HDF Member
Though their timing really sucked, it makes sense for them to issue the ticket. If the daughter is at fault (jaywalking) for the accident which killed her, it suddenly becomes very important for the driver which hit her whether or not a ticket is issued stating as much.
Though the driver can be sued by the girl's family either way, with a ticket issued basically stating that it's the girl's fault, it becomes much, much easier for the driver to avoid being found liable in a civil case. Without that ticket, the driver is far more likely to be out a lot of money and live with skyrocketing insurance costs.
I hit a pedestrian who was crossing against the light (I had a green) and nowhere near the crosswalk. She wound up in the hospital for four months and almost died, and the police issued her a ticket for jaywalking. I believe this was pivotal in their decision not to sue me. Without that ticket, I'd have been f**ked.
Tickets exist for reasons beyond just revenue generation. They serve as an official record of fault, which carries implications beyond what people initially think.
Sorry for the quick tangent. Back to your regularly scheduled thread...
Though the driver can be sued by the girl's family either way, with a ticket issued basically stating that it's the girl's fault, it becomes much, much easier for the driver to avoid being found liable in a civil case. Without that ticket, the driver is far more likely to be out a lot of money and live with skyrocketing insurance costs.
I hit a pedestrian who was crossing against the light (I had a green) and nowhere near the crosswalk. She wound up in the hospital for four months and almost died, and the police issued her a ticket for jaywalking. I believe this was pivotal in their decision not to sue me. Without that ticket, I'd have been f**ked.
Tickets exist for reasons beyond just revenue generation. They serve as an official record of fault, which carries implications beyond what people initially think.
Sorry for the quick tangent. Back to your regularly scheduled thread...
#83
01-25-2011, 08:50 AM
That is the total point. He operated his motor vehicle in such a manner that he alone caused his own error. Very simple. He is the operator and he is at fault. You both need to go buy a set of brass ***** and admit it. Then maybe take a MSF course before you hurt yourselves or someone else.
#85
01-25-2011, 08:56 AM
Though their timing really sucked, it makes sense for them to issue the ticket. If the daughter is at fault (jaywalking) for the accident which killed her, it suddenly becomes very important for the driver which hit her whether or not a ticket is issued stating as much.
Though the driver can be sued by the girl's family either way, with a ticket issued basically stating that it's the girl's fault, it becomes much, much easier for the driver to avoid being found liable in a civil case. Without that ticket, the driver is far more likely to be out a lot of money and live with skyrocketing insurance costs.
I hit a pedestrian who was crossing against the light (I had a green) and nowhere near the crosswalk. She wound up in the hospital for four months and almost died, and the police issued her a ticket for jaywalking. I believe this was pivotal in their decision not to sue me. Without that ticket, I'd have been f**ked.
Tickets exist for reasons beyond just revenue generation. They serve as an official record of fault, which carries implications beyond what people initially think.
Though the driver can be sued by the girl's family either way, with a ticket issued basically stating that it's the girl's fault, it becomes much, much easier for the driver to avoid being found liable in a civil case. Without that ticket, the driver is far more likely to be out a lot of money and live with skyrocketing insurance costs.
I hit a pedestrian who was crossing against the light (I had a green) and nowhere near the crosswalk. She wound up in the hospital for four months and almost died, and the police issued her a ticket for jaywalking. I believe this was pivotal in their decision not to sue me. Without that ticket, I'd have been f**ked.
Tickets exist for reasons beyond just revenue generation. They serve as an official record of fault, which carries implications beyond what people initially think.
#86
01-25-2011, 08:58 AM
The "houllier than thou" type of guys like you have a knack for p*ssing me off. I guess only idiots have accidents, huh? And since you're more intelligent than most of us mortals, you never crashed and never will, huh?
Once again the point is not that he crashed. The point is to receive a ticket for crashing when no fault could be established and much less by a TN Cop who was not even at the scene when it happened nor when the paramedics took him to the hospital. I never said he wanted to fight the ticket. The ticket cost him nothing anyway since all his friends pitched in and others riders at the hotel pitched in too.
I call this racket but you're free to consider it normal. What you're not free to do is to call my friend an incompetent idiot.
Have a nice day.
Once again the point is not that he crashed. The point is to receive a ticket for crashing when no fault could be established and much less by a TN Cop who was not even at the scene when it happened nor when the paramedics took him to the hospital. I never said he wanted to fight the ticket. The ticket cost him nothing anyway since all his friends pitched in and others riders at the hotel pitched in too.
I call this racket but you're free to consider it normal. What you're not free to do is to call my friend an incompetent idiot.
Have a nice day.
#87
01-25-2011, 09:00 AM
The citation is a critical legal document in any traffic accident. Ask any attorney.
#88
01-25-2011, 09:02 AM
#89
01-25-2011, 09:03 AM
Elite HDF Member
That is the total point. He operated his motor vehicle in such a manner that he alone caused his own error. Very simple. He is the operator and he is at fault. You both need to go buy a set of brass ***** and admit it. Then maybe take a MSF course before you hurt yourselves or someone else.
An error is not an infraction, stick this deep into your brain. He was below the posted speed limit, wasn't impaired and his vehicle was in perfect driving condition.
Don't be too quick blaming others, it could happen to you too ........ if I didn't happen already.
As for taking MSF classes, thanks for the suggestion but we're both good on the subject.
There was no justification for the cop to give him a ticket, except to fill the coffers ..........
End of discussion with you.
#90
01-25-2011, 09:06 AM
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We have idiots come in CT all the time so they can ride without their helmets! Oh they ride with me cause I'm an idiot too! 
There's nothing like seeing a guy with a helmet on wearing shorts and sandals!
I crashed on a secondary when I hit sand on the shoulder. Probably going too fast and wasn't familiar with the road. There was a fire truck, ambulance and state cop who pulled up to help me. Someone had called 911 when they saw me gracefully slide 40 feet or so and then flip over the curb. After they pulled the bike off of me and determined that my leathers (which were shredded) had taken the brunt of the crash, the cop said he wasn't going to give me a ticket. He looked over at my bike and said you'll be paying for this for awhile! Of course I thanked him profusely! I had $7000 worth of damage and my leg was in a splint for 3 weeks. Maybe the cop was a rider? I really don't know! But it was an accident! You can be as careful as you want, but accidents happen! Hence the word "accident"! This isn't my first accident over the past 35 years, but I'm kinda hoping it is my last! Oh, by the way...because I'm an idiot I didn't have a helmet on!
There's nothing like seeing a guy with a helmet on wearing shorts and sandals!I crashed on a secondary when I hit sand on the shoulder. Probably going too fast and wasn't familiar with the road. There was a fire truck, ambulance and state cop who pulled up to help me. Someone had called 911 when they saw me gracefully slide 40 feet or so and then flip over the curb. After they pulled the bike off of me and determined that my leathers (which were shredded) had taken the brunt of the crash, the cop said he wasn't going to give me a ticket. He looked over at my bike and said you'll be paying for this for awhile! Of course I thanked him profusely! I had $7000 worth of damage and my leg was in a splint for 3 weeks. Maybe the cop was a rider? I really don't know! But it was an accident! You can be as careful as you want, but accidents happen! Hence the word "accident"! This isn't my first accident over the past 35 years, but I'm kinda hoping it is my last! Oh, by the way...because I'm an idiot I didn't have a helmet on!