Maltese crosses or NOT!
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09-24-2006, 10:34 PM
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RE: Maltese crosses or NOT!
ORIGINAL: pococj
And what would a bubblehead know? 
ORIGINAL: HammerheadSSN663
Iron crosses are for posers.
Iron crosses are for posers.
Steel boats Iron men.
#132
10-02-2006, 12:28 PM
RE: Maltese crosses or NOT!
ORIGINAL: anubisss
Yo, that is what the ****'s wore in WW2. Yeah, I am of the jewish persuasion. I wish that this wasn't so darn popular now, even though I know that the Maltese cross came from the people ine Malta. It reminds me of the German crosses around the ****'s neck on their uniform. How blatantly rude to certain people of different religious backrounds that is. I think it is all Jesse James fault with his West Coast Choppers logo being the first one I remember seeing. Any other opinions? Good, bad, whatever. I will never think that is a "cool" emblem. Lets be original and make our own or something. It's jsut wrong. Blah blah blah.
Yo, that is what the ****'s wore in WW2. Yeah, I am of the jewish persuasion. I wish that this wasn't so darn popular now, even though I know that the Maltese cross came from the people ine Malta. It reminds me of the German crosses around the ****'s neck on their uniform. How blatantly rude to certain people of different religious backrounds that is. I think it is all Jesse James fault with his West Coast Choppers logo being the first one I remember seeing. Any other opinions? Good, bad, whatever. I will never think that is a "cool" emblem. Lets be original and make our own or something. It's jsut wrong. Blah blah blah.
It is a shame the ***** used the cross, but it was there a long time before them and will last into the future. I'm a proud retired 25 year fifefighter and the cross is common in our brotherhood.
here are some interesting links. Hope this puts you more at ease with the use?
http://www.lawrencefire.com/maltese_cross.asp
http://www2.prestel.co.uk/church/oosj/cross.htm
http://www.netpages.free-online.co.uk/gms/sinister.htm
#133
10-02-2006, 04:34 PM
RE: Maltese crosses or NOT!
The swastika was what the ***** wore. Some wore an award around their neck called an "Iron Cross". BTW, if you reverse the legs on the swastika so that they point in the opposite direction, it becomes an indian good luck symbol.
My 2 cents.
My 2 cents.
#135
03-09-2007, 02:21 AM
RE: Maltese crosses or NOT!
Whenever I see or think about a Maltese Cross, I think of my son and son-in-law. They are both full time Firefighters with the Omaha, Fire Department.
#136
03-09-2007, 04:19 AM
RE: Maltese crosses or NOT!
I wore these on my uniform in the UNITED STATES ARMY and everyone else did too. I understand the whole **** thing but I do have a few on my bike and I'm pretty sure im not a poser. Think about it, its just a shape.
My two cents worth.
Joker441
#137
03-09-2007, 05:54 AM
RE: Maltese crosses or NOT!
hahaha
check out the general style of most modern military lids, a VERY effective piece of kit
do you consider your troops " reprehensible " ???
check out the general style of most modern military lids, a VERY effective piece of kit
do you consider your troops " reprehensible " ???
ORIGINAL: Primo
Kind of on the fence with the Maltese cross thing. Only have the requisite West Coast Choppers version on a shirt my kid bought me.
What I really have a problem with is the "german style" helmet.
Lot's of guys wear that style but what it represents is too personally reprehensible for me to even consider wearing.
Chances are 90% of those who wear them do so because they "look cool" without really looking at the back story. I wonder how many might not if they really thought about it's history.
Off my soapbox now.
Primo
Kind of on the fence with the Maltese cross thing. Only have the requisite West Coast Choppers version on a shirt my kid bought me.
What I really have a problem with is the "german style" helmet.
Lot's of guys wear that style but what it represents is too personally reprehensible for me to even consider wearing.
Chances are 90% of those who wear them do so because they "look cool" without really looking at the back story. I wonder how many might not if they really thought about it's history.
Off my soapbox now.
Primo
#138
03-09-2007, 06:08 AM
RE: Maltese crosses or NOT!
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read my previous post ...
read my previous post ...
ORIGINAL: gunrunner
I hate german helmets, the only person that should wear one is a WWII soldier who shot the german out from under it, and the iron cross well it was around long before hitler but I dont care for it, but every soldier that has died defending our America has done so for our rights, and free speach is a primary one, So even if I dont like it, they can carry on IMO, I wont respect them, but nither will I try and force my opinion on them.
I hate german helmets, the only person that should wear one is a WWII soldier who shot the german out from under it, and the iron cross well it was around long before hitler but I dont care for it, but every soldier that has died defending our America has done so for our rights, and free speach is a primary one, So even if I dont like it, they can carry on IMO, I wont respect them, but nither will I try and force my opinion on them.
ORIGINAL: anubisss
Yo, that is what the ****'s wore in WW2. Yeah, I am of the jewish persuasion. I wish that this wasn't so darn popular now, even though I know that the Maltese cross came from the people ine Malta. It reminds me of the German crosses around the ****'s neck on their uniform. How blatantly rude to certain people of different religious backrounds that is. I think it is all Jesse James fault with his West Coast Choppers logo being the first one I remember seeing. Any other opinions? Good, bad, whatever. I will never think that is a "cool" emblem. Lets be original and make our own or something. It's jsut wrong. Blah blah blah.
Yo, that is what the ****'s wore in WW2. Yeah, I am of the jewish persuasion. I wish that this wasn't so darn popular now, even though I know that the Maltese cross came from the people ine Malta. It reminds me of the German crosses around the ****'s neck on their uniform. How blatantly rude to certain people of different religious backrounds that is. I think it is all Jesse James fault with his West Coast Choppers logo being the first one I remember seeing. Any other opinions? Good, bad, whatever. I will never think that is a "cool" emblem. Lets be original and make our own or something. It's jsut wrong. Blah blah blah.
#139
03-09-2007, 06:39 AM
RE: Maltese crosses or NOT!
ORIGINAL: TXSwede
How bout aluminum?
ORIGINAL: HammerheadSSN663
Iron crosses are for posers.
Iron crosses are for posers.
#140
03-09-2007, 10:06 AM
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RE: Maltese crosses or NOT!
Personally, I'm not offended by the Maltese cross, though I don't really care for it esthetically. It has a history of several different cultural and ethnic significances, none of which really moves me all that much either way. I don't wear it because I just don't like the way it looks.
I am however, offended by the swastika, because it directly represents only the hate regime genocide of which hundreds of thousands of my ancestors fell victim. I would never wear it or even want it anywhere near me.
As iconography goes, I much prefer the ourobouros...
...because IMHO, it's much cooler looking, and much more metaphorically descriptive of all life, regardless of which religion or group adopts it. It dates back to the Greek philosophers who used it as a symbol of their understanding of the nature of time and life as being cyclic, endless, and self-perpetuating. Early Christians marked their graves with an ourobouros, seeing it as a symbol of the transitory nature of the wordly existence vs. the immortality of the soul. Jewish texts of old sought to put a fence ("massorah") around the written Word of God in order to protect it, and the an adaptation of the ouroborous was used as a symbol of such.
Like the hamsa symbol which spans across several religions, the ourobouros suggests a unity in spirit.
I'm not sure why Chris Carter chose it as the logo for his TV series "Millenium"....(below)
...but I once used it on a business card, and I'd sure choose it as a tattoo. In fact, I may make that the next ink I get.
Scooter~
I am however, offended by the swastika, because it directly represents only the hate regime genocide of which hundreds of thousands of my ancestors fell victim. I would never wear it or even want it anywhere near me.
As iconography goes, I much prefer the ourobouros...
...because IMHO, it's much cooler looking, and much more metaphorically descriptive of all life, regardless of which religion or group adopts it. It dates back to the Greek philosophers who used it as a symbol of their understanding of the nature of time and life as being cyclic, endless, and self-perpetuating. Early Christians marked their graves with an ourobouros, seeing it as a symbol of the transitory nature of the wordly existence vs. the immortality of the soul. Jewish texts of old sought to put a fence ("massorah") around the written Word of God in order to protect it, and the an adaptation of the ouroborous was used as a symbol of such.
Like the hamsa symbol which spans across several religions, the ourobouros suggests a unity in spirit.
I'm not sure why Chris Carter chose it as the logo for his TV series "Millenium"....(below)
...but I once used it on a business card, and I'd sure choose it as a tattoo. In fact, I may make that the next ink I get.
Scooter~