Fear of Curves
#51
Like my Dad used to say " Never let anybody sh*t on your Birthday cake". If you friend doesn't automatically respect your riding style/comfort level then remain friends and stop riding with him. I have a friend just like that who is a really nice guy but has some really unsafe riding habits that he refuses to change. So, I don't ride with him.
Lots of good techniques and advice on here. But my bottom line is this: I try to never out drive my headlights, vision, riding ability, comfort level. Do you own thing and take YOUR time to learn and get comfortable with your bike.
If someone doesn't like it....too bad for them.
Lots of good techniques and advice on here. But my bottom line is this: I try to never out drive my headlights, vision, riding ability, comfort level. Do you own thing and take YOUR time to learn and get comfortable with your bike.
If someone doesn't like it....too bad for them.
#52
You might wanna look at "Proficient Motorcycling" by David Hough. He discusses items like this and addresses the things that might jump out at you going into different riding situations. I am a MotoGP fan, so I do occasionally look like I try to hang off in certain curves. Target fixation is the biggest thing to overcome on curves. There's gotta be a ton of youtube vids of some guy who looks at where he doesn't wanna go, and eats it. Look where you wanna go, and generally, your body and bike will follow.
#53
I rounded a blind mountain curve and there was a car out of gas in my lane, guess what would have happened if I was hangin it out. Rocks, gravel, cars stopped, nothing wrong with backing off if you can't see ahead in fact if you don't you are just assuming the road is clear, your gamble
#54
I don't think it's fear.....I think it's a skill set
I noticed you have Japan, as a location, as you've mentioned you've just started riding there (took a 32 hour class, in the past 2 years)
Perhaps it's an effect of going from a "ride on the right USA, to a ride on the left Japan?
Everything you learned over your lifetime, is "wrong" including those ingrained skills we call "instincts"
!) ride your own ride.... whether your friend is 22 or 62... let him do HIS thing, while you do yours
2) Practice. practice, practice...... ( I like the RLaP videos... but they are set up for US riding... or at least ride on the right. Ask around for a local advanced riding class)
3) curves are the "hardest thing to master" Most of all motorcycle wrecks are single vehicle wrecks, and most of those.... are "failure to negeoiate a curve".
Any one can ride in a straight line. Curves are diffucult. The "natural instinct" is to turn the bike via direct steering. To turn right, one believes they must STEER right. This is how we turn bikes at parking lot speeds. Anytime we ride above 10-15 MPH (16-24 KPH ??) we use COUNTER STEERING.... Which brings us back tp #2 ie: practice
I never enter a curve at speed, unless I can see the exit, and know what's in front of me. Far too often, I've found gravel kicked up in the middle of a turn... or a pot hole.. or...... the turn is a decreasing radius curve.
Learn to take a "late apex" and enter a curve at YOUR comfort.... if you have to meet your friend later.....so be it.
Never allow yourself to be pressured by another rider....
I noticed you have Japan, as a location, as you've mentioned you've just started riding there (took a 32 hour class, in the past 2 years)
Perhaps it's an effect of going from a "ride on the right USA, to a ride on the left Japan?
Everything you learned over your lifetime, is "wrong" including those ingrained skills we call "instincts"
!) ride your own ride.... whether your friend is 22 or 62... let him do HIS thing, while you do yours
2) Practice. practice, practice...... ( I like the RLaP videos... but they are set up for US riding... or at least ride on the right. Ask around for a local advanced riding class)
3) curves are the "hardest thing to master" Most of all motorcycle wrecks are single vehicle wrecks, and most of those.... are "failure to negeoiate a curve".
Any one can ride in a straight line. Curves are diffucult. The "natural instinct" is to turn the bike via direct steering. To turn right, one believes they must STEER right. This is how we turn bikes at parking lot speeds. Anytime we ride above 10-15 MPH (16-24 KPH ??) we use COUNTER STEERING.... Which brings us back tp #2 ie: practice
I never enter a curve at speed, unless I can see the exit, and know what's in front of me. Far too often, I've found gravel kicked up in the middle of a turn... or a pot hole.. or...... the turn is a decreasing radius curve.
Learn to take a "late apex" and enter a curve at YOUR comfort.... if you have to meet your friend later.....so be it.
Never allow yourself to be pressured by another rider....
#55
Wow. Thanks for all the great advice!
I've only been on my Harley for a little over 2 years, so I guess it's just going to take more time to get to know her better and how to take corners with her. Curves are the rule rather than the exception in Japan, so you really have to know how to ride them. Just gotta take it slow. (no pun intended)
I've only been on my Harley for a little over 2 years, so I guess it's just going to take more time to get to know her better and how to take corners with her. Curves are the rule rather than the exception in Japan, so you really have to know how to ride them. Just gotta take it slow. (no pun intended)
You have been riding a HD for 2 yrs, can i assume you started you started riding 2 yrs ago or at least just got to riding on the streets 2 yrs ago? here is the thing, a lot of guys have been riding for 10, 20, 30 or more years..you just need to be safe, learn and go home safe to do it agian, do not try to keep up with guys who have the experience and to be honest push even themselves beyond their ability, they do it for the rush, you dont have to have a rush to enjoy the ride.
#56
Ride your own RIDE.
If they run away from you they will slow down and you will catch up.
It's when you think you know what your doing is when your guard is down, then you find yourself down.
Always ride your own ride, Never forget that.......
If they run away from you they will slow down and you will catch up.
It's when you think you know what your doing is when your guard is down, then you find yourself down.
Always ride your own ride, Never forget that.......
#57
Lots of good advice on handling the bike etc, most of which you probably already know, but here is my take on the logic/theory of what is a safe speed to take a blind bend. Anyone encouraging you to go faster on a public road should be kept at arms length.
You should always be travelling at a speed that allows you to stop within the distance that you can see the road to be safe. Two bends of exactly the same radius and therefore both able to be ridden at the same speed due to the bike's capability, should not be ridden at the same speed if one is blind. On the blind bend you cannot see ahead as far, so you should be riding slower as the stopping distance is reduced.
If you are scraping floorboards or pegs in a blind bend you are probably going too fast.
To maximise the speed at which you can take a blind bend safely, you need to maximise visibility around the bend which means positioning yourself as far as possible to the outside of the bend, not hugging the inside. You must always position for safety, so if there is oncoming traffic you will need to move nearer to the centre of your lane, which naturally implies reduced forward visibility and therefore a need for reduced speed. Blind bends, being blind, mean that you may not be able to see oncoming traffic as you enter the bend, so if you are positioned for maximum visibility you may need to move from the outside of your lane to the centre of your lane by tightening the radius of your turn when oncoming traffic appears. You cannot do this if you are already at the limit, scraping your floorboards.
To sum up blind bends should be taken slower than open bends, and never at the bike's limit. To maximise the safe speed use position within your lane, but never sacrifice safety for better visibility. If you find an open bend with no oncoming vehicles, obstacles or bad road surface, let out a great big whoop and let the sparks fly!
You should always be travelling at a speed that allows you to stop within the distance that you can see the road to be safe. Two bends of exactly the same radius and therefore both able to be ridden at the same speed due to the bike's capability, should not be ridden at the same speed if one is blind. On the blind bend you cannot see ahead as far, so you should be riding slower as the stopping distance is reduced.
If you are scraping floorboards or pegs in a blind bend you are probably going too fast.
To maximise the speed at which you can take a blind bend safely, you need to maximise visibility around the bend which means positioning yourself as far as possible to the outside of the bend, not hugging the inside. You must always position for safety, so if there is oncoming traffic you will need to move nearer to the centre of your lane, which naturally implies reduced forward visibility and therefore a need for reduced speed. Blind bends, being blind, mean that you may not be able to see oncoming traffic as you enter the bend, so if you are positioned for maximum visibility you may need to move from the outside of your lane to the centre of your lane by tightening the radius of your turn when oncoming traffic appears. You cannot do this if you are already at the limit, scraping your floorboards.
To sum up blind bends should be taken slower than open bends, and never at the bike's limit. To maximise the safe speed use position within your lane, but never sacrifice safety for better visibility. If you find an open bend with no oncoming vehicles, obstacles or bad road surface, let out a great big whoop and let the sparks fly!
#59
It's good to be careful and not take curves past your limits, but at the same time it's not good to crawl in them. Sounds to me you need to relax some and ride the bike. I mean I'm not saying to drag knee, but man relax and ride the bike. Curves is the best part of riding IMO.
#60
I have been riding motorcycles since I was 19, but bought my first H-D 2 years ago. I have always had a terrible fear of taking curves, especially blind, downhill curves, and have to slow down to a crawl, until I can see my way around them before I accelerate through the curve. I always get left behind on mountain roads, but I have one buddy in particular who rides an Ultra and always takes the curves at speeds that seem a little crazy to me. He leaves me in the dust on twisties and loves giving me advice on how to keep up, to point where I feel pressured to ride at speeds where I don't feel comfortable. I don't mind scraping floorboard or anything, I just feel uncomfortable taking curves at speed, which I can't see around, for fear that they might tighten up on me, sending me into a ditch or worse, oncoming traffic. Is there anything I can do help overcome my fear? Any advice from anybody here, or does it just come with practice and experience? It just seems to me that no amount of experience can bring comfort in taking a blind curve at the speeds I see a lot of riders do.