Bikers beat down cager
#111
09-08-2010, 12:21 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
none of us were there. the story could have gone down like this: guy driving car looking for his turn so he is going kinda slow. bikes behind guy are getting a little pissed because he is going so slow so they are closer to him than they should be (we've all done that). suddenly he sees his turn, but doesn't 'have time' to signal, just hits his brakes. lead bike cant go right because of person in right of lane, cant go straight or he hits the car, so he tries to go around on left. collides with car, dude has his arm hanging out the window cause its cool, and he obviously does not have ac. so with tempers raging, they beat the tar out of the car, which in this case means 2 broken windshields and a mirror.
sounds like bad decisions were made all around.
#112
09-08-2010, 12:24 PM
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I know it's not in the story, but everybody has overlooked the hand signal. Maybe his blinker doesn't work, and he was using his arm to signal.
Just saying.
Just saying.
#113
09-08-2010, 12:30 PM
#114
09-08-2010, 12:36 PM
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I have to say, IMO, some of the responses here are just moronic! I could give a ***** about what kind of car the guy was driving, OR the soda can, OR what the driver might or might not have done OR whether he lived in a TP or a f*cking mansion. For 15 "bikers" to beat up on anyone over something like this is completely out of line and gives us all a bad rap.
It sounds to me like at least one of these idiots wasn't paying attention and acted irresponsibly. Seriously, when a cage slows down in front of me (turn signal on or not) I slow down to see what he's gonna do. I don't make any assumptions. I take a more defensive position and I certainly don't try to pass over a double yellow line. It's just that simple. Further, if even 1 of the 15 "bikers" started wailing on this guy, then IMO, they're all a bunch of p*ssies. Grow the f*ck up and start taking responsibility for your own mistakes!
It sounds to me like at least one of these idiots wasn't paying attention and acted irresponsibly. Seriously, when a cage slows down in front of me (turn signal on or not) I slow down to see what he's gonna do. I don't make any assumptions. I take a more defensive position and I certainly don't try to pass over a double yellow line. It's just that simple. Further, if even 1 of the 15 "bikers" started wailing on this guy, then IMO, they're all a bunch of p*ssies. Grow the f*ck up and start taking responsibility for your own mistakes!
#115
09-08-2010, 12:38 PM
lesseee.... "bikers are from maryland"
perhaps they are douche 1%ers with their territory claimed on their vests? Or maybe the license plates were all from...oh, i don't know... MARYLAND?
yeah, nobody carries sodas around on a bike - there is no market for drink holders on harleys
...keep circling the wagon, no way 15 brave bikers could ever perpetrate such an offense on one unarmed citizen... bikers would only ever go 1 on 1 in a fair fight (over the last pair of assless chaps on sale)
perhaps they are douche 1%ers with their territory claimed on their vests? Or maybe the license plates were all from...oh, i don't know... MARYLAND?
yeah, nobody carries sodas around on a bike - there is no market for drink holders on harleys
...keep circling the wagon, no way 15 brave bikers could ever perpetrate such an offense on one unarmed citizen... bikers would only ever go 1 on 1 in a fair fight (over the last pair of assless chaps on sale)
#117
09-08-2010, 01:13 PM
Road Captain
Unless you can provide the statute, I'm going to have to call BS on that.
#118
09-08-2010, 01:25 PM
The Pennsylvania statute was cited in the section from Wikipedia that I quoted. Indeed, there's a hyperlink to the statute, if you'd like to read it. Since this incident took place in Pennsylvania, it does seem arguably "relevant".... There are quite a few other similar statutes in other states. But you go ahead and "call BS", and think whatever you like. Makes no difference at all to me.
#120
09-08-2010, 01:28 PM
Road Captain
You know, it's one thing to be an idiot, it's another thing entirely to be an arrogant idiot. From wikipedia:
"In some states, it is not against the law to overtake vehicles in the presence of solid yellow lines if it is safe to do so. Section 3303 and 3305 of the Pennsylvania driver code are examples. Vermont State Law also allows passing of the double yellow line when no traffic is on the opposing side, however, one must pass quickly and return to the proper side."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-yellow_line
And in case you're contemplating the standard response that wikipedia is not a reliable source, feel free to look up the individual statutes of various states. I found the above in less than 30 seconds, and that's already more time than I have to educate you.
"In some states, it is not against the law to overtake vehicles in the presence of solid yellow lines if it is safe to do so. Section 3303 and 3305 of the Pennsylvania driver code are examples. Vermont State Law also allows passing of the double yellow line when no traffic is on the opposing side, however, one must pass quickly and return to the proper side."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-yellow_line
And in case you're contemplating the standard response that wikipedia is not a reliable source, feel free to look up the individual statutes of various states. I found the above in less than 30 seconds, and that's already more time than I have to educate you.
PA 3307:
§ 3307. No-passing zones.
(a) Establishment and marking.--The department and local authorities may determine those portions of any highway under their respective jurisdictions where overtaking and passing or driving on the left side of the roadway would be especially hazardous and shall by appropriate signs or markings on the roadway indicate the beginning and end of such zones and when the signs or markings are in place and clearly visible to an
ordinarily observant person every driver of a vehicle shall obey the directions of the signs or markings. Signs shall be placed to indicate the beginning and end of each no-passing zone.
(b) Compliance by drivers.--Where signs and markings are in place to define a no-passing zone as set forth in subsection (a), no driver shall at any time drive on the left side of the roadway within the no-passing zone or on the left side of any pavement striping designed to mark a no-passing zone throughout its length.
(a) Establishment and marking.--The department and local authorities may determine those portions of any highway under their respective jurisdictions where overtaking and passing or driving on the left side of the roadway would be especially hazardous and shall by appropriate signs or markings on the roadway indicate the beginning and end of such zones and when the signs or markings are in place and clearly visible to an
ordinarily observant person every driver of a vehicle shall obey the directions of the signs or markings. Signs shall be placed to indicate the beginning and end of each no-passing zone.
(b) Compliance by drivers.--Where signs and markings are in place to define a no-passing zone as set forth in subsection (a), no driver shall at any time drive on the left side of the roadway within the no-passing zone or on the left side of any pavement striping designed to mark a no-passing zone throughout its length.
As for VT, Vermont Statutes chapter 23, section 1036 establishes the authority of the traffic committee to establish no-passing zones that are marked in such a way as to be, "clearly visible to an ordinarily observant person".
Despite the wikipedia claim, neither PA, nor VT actually authorize individuals to pass on a double-yellow. In both cases, poor legal scholarship has caused the wikipedia author to look only at the sections titled "passing on the left" while ignoring later sections defining limitations.
Someone who has been practicing law for 20 years ought to be able to parse the law better than that.