Push Steering???
#11
06-23-2010 | 11:30 PM
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From: Central IL
If you ride a bicycle you have done it and probably didn't even realize it.
At speeds above about 10MPH A little push (or pressure) on the left side of the bar the wheel turns slightly to the right, the bike leans to the left and you go left. (If you try and turn the bars to the left you will either turn right or fall hard on the right side).
Don't think about it too much.
Do keep your head up and look where you want to go (through the corners or straight ahead). Don't look down, don't look at the pothole, don't look at the truck coming in the other lane or the cuties on the sidewalk. Look where you want to go.
At speeds above about 10MPH A little push (or pressure) on the left side of the bar the wheel turns slightly to the right, the bike leans to the left and you go left. (If you try and turn the bars to the left you will either turn right or fall hard on the right side).
Don't think about it too much.
Do keep your head up and look where you want to go (through the corners or straight ahead). Don't look down, don't look at the pothole, don't look at the truck coming in the other lane or the cuties on the sidewalk. Look where you want to go.
Best of luck,
Bones
#13
06-24-2010 | 12:15 AM
Tourer
Joined: Sep 2009
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From: South Carolina
The video is great.....while you are riding straight down the highway try it very gently and you will get the feel for it....the video demonstrated push or pull....I push....decide which way you want to go and stick with it....then practice again very gently while going down the highway...it becomes natural real quick.....and like everyone posted...watch where you are going....
#14
06-24-2010 | 01:19 AM
its called countersteerign and like others have posted its best to practice it in a parking lot, given your relative lack of expierience i would recomend buying or borrwing a POS bike that you wont worr yabout to muc hwhen it go's over cause it likely will.
remember you dont need much presure either the pull or push method you just want to induce the lean, in practice the bar will actully barely move if at all if your doing it right.
thank you for takign the course and asking questions, it shows a sense of responsibiilty for your own safety and those around you. so many people especialy ypunger ones jus tget o na bike and go with no expierience and you read about them or thier passengers being covered in a sheet on the road somewhere.
remember you dont need much presure either the pull or push method you just want to induce the lean, in practice the bar will actully barely move if at all if your doing it right.
thank you for takign the course and asking questions, it shows a sense of responsibiilty for your own safety and those around you. so many people especialy ypunger ones jus tget o na bike and go with no expierience and you read about them or thier passengers being covered in a sheet on the road somewhere.
#15
06-24-2010 | 01:31 AM
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From: Southern California
+1 Better to learn things right the first time then to have to unlearn any bad habits you might acquire between now and your class.
#16
06-24-2010 | 02:02 AM
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If you lean ever so slightly forward and more so sideways into the turn your bike will follow you.
Keep you eyes focused on where you want to be.
The slight body shift will naturally put more weight ( and thus push ) on the correct side of the bar.
Every bike is different( depending on steering geometry) in how much input it needs to
respond to changes in direction , I've always preferred a bike that needed little input.
Holding a line in a sweeping curve ect. are not something you learn overnight , just takes
practice.
Keep you eyes focused on where you want to be.
The slight body shift will naturally put more weight ( and thus push ) on the correct side of the bar.
Every bike is different( depending on steering geometry) in how much input it needs to
respond to changes in direction , I've always preferred a bike that needed little input.
Holding a line in a sweeping curve ect. are not something you learn overnight , just takes
practice.
#17
06-24-2010 | 04:20 AM
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Joined: Jan 2009
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From: Ontario East
Counter-steering results in the application of the gyroscopic presession principle. If you ever played with a gyroscope, you will understand the physics of counter-steering.
Rotation around an axis will tend to keep the axis in a stable position.
ie: your front wheel rotates around your axle, keeping it horizontal and at right angles to the direction of travel.
When you push/pull on the bars, you are trying to realign your axle and the wheel will push back, thus causing the axle to tilt which in turn makes the wheel lean either left or right, depending on which way you force the axle to move.
I hope this isn't too confusing. Just get a toy gyroscope and play with it. You'll learn about counter-steering/gyroscopic presession.
Rotation around an axis will tend to keep the axis in a stable position.
ie: your front wheel rotates around your axle, keeping it horizontal and at right angles to the direction of travel.
When you push/pull on the bars, you are trying to realign your axle and the wheel will push back, thus causing the axle to tilt which in turn makes the wheel lean either left or right, depending on which way you force the axle to move.
I hope this isn't too confusing. Just get a toy gyroscope and play with it. You'll learn about counter-steering/gyroscopic presession.
#18
06-24-2010 | 05:10 AM
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From: Hallsville, Tx.
If you lean ever so slightly forward and more so sideways into the turn your bike will follow you.
Keep you eyes focused on where you want to be.
The slight body shift will naturally put more weight ( and thus push ) on the correct side of the bar.
Every bike is different( depending on steering geometry) in how much input it needs to
respond to changes in direction , I've always preferred a bike that needed little input.
Holding a line in a sweeping curve ect. are not something you learn overnight , just takes
practice.
Keep you eyes focused on where you want to be.
The slight body shift will naturally put more weight ( and thus push ) on the correct side of the bar.
Every bike is different( depending on steering geometry) in how much input it needs to
respond to changes in direction , I've always preferred a bike that needed little input.
Holding a line in a sweeping curve ect. are not something you learn overnight , just takes
practice.
#19
06-24-2010 | 06:43 AM
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Joined: Jun 2005
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From: From Illinois; Currently Belgium
I never agreed with teaching push right go right, push left go left method, but I understand why. If you tried to teach pull left go right and vice versa newbs would just get confused.
The reason I disagree with the push method is it causes some people to straight arm the turn causing their body to lean the opposite direction of the turn. They should stay upright as possible or lean into it if they know what they are doing, but never to lean away from the turn.
The reason I disagree with the push method is it causes some people to straight arm the turn causing their body to lean the opposite direction of the turn. They should stay upright as possible or lean into it if they know what they are doing, but never to lean away from the turn.
