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+1 Thank you i cant believe how many people care about what other people are doing, you want to be safe or 50 state safe then what do you have to worry about? Your fine. You want to be loud then thats your choice who gives a s****

 

I am becoming more and more disenchanted with this forum every day. It seems it is becoming less of forum about motorcycling and the joys associated with it and more of a platform for the "net nannies" to preach their virtues of righteousness and political correctness. There are some on here who seem to support causes which place more restrictions or constraints on motorcyclists.
Harley riders have been a rebellious group for years. We have long resisted the efforts of the public and/or government to transform us into conformists. The more I read on here, the more I am convinced that we, as a group, are being slowly drawn into the web they are spinning. We are becoming a dying breed, sucked into this notion that we should be more concerned about the rights of others and less concerned with our rights.

 

I'm sorry, I didn't know about that old fart and his yippin' mutt. In that case it's obvious that the mature response to his insensitivity would be run by his house with really loud pipes to drown out his noise. I sure hope he's not some kind of ******** who would try to retaliate by doing something really stupid like making even more noise than your bike. Anyone who attempts to restrain loud motorcycles clearly doesn't understand the culture and has no respect for their right to make noise. Please accept my apology as I didn't understand that your rights were more important than mine.

 

Considering this thread started with a post about Edmonton, and you are talking about one's rights being more important than another, why does the city think it's ok to txt and drive which can kill someone, but not ok to have a loud motorcycle, which can only annoy someone. And it's ok to have a loud stereo, car, truck, bus, just not a motorcycle.

And the point of his post was, why is it only motorcycle noise that is being singled out for eradication. I have lived in the city and the country. And I knew damn well when I moved back in to the city it is loud. Buses, trucks, bikes, parties, whatever. In this same city, a race track was shut down many years ago due to houses complaining about the noise. Except when the track was built there was nothing around it for miles. People bought their houses next to it, then complained. Same think with our municipal airport in town. People move there, then complain cause it's too noisy. What the hell did they expect? This is not cottage country it's a damn city.

If they want to make it quiet, then enforce noise bylaws across the board equally, not just on motorcycles!

 

I'll agree with ya on one point. HDForums has become a very PC forum. So much so, that somedays I have to wonder if I'm reading a Harley-Davidson forum, or an all brands forum.

 

I don't have drag pipes. I have Rinehart Duals. I have never went and complained about his dog. Nor have I compained when he fires up his lawn mower with the burnt out muffler at 7am on a Saturday or Sunday morning. I always made a conscious effort to not "blip" the throttle or make anymore noise than was necessary to power my scoot around the corner and get to my driveway. He is so deaf that you can hear his TV from the street when he has his windows open. I'm quite sure that he doesn't even know his dog is barking.
Some people just need to have something to b!tch about.

 

You have the right of free speech and the rest of the Bill of Rights. You do not have the "right" to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater; you do not have the "right" to carry a gun into a government building; you do not have the "right" to smoke in most restaurants; you do not have the "right" to create noise that is offensive by community standards. I am concerned about retaining my "right" to ride a motorcycle. It is a small minority of bikers that create the most problems. However, if the government casts a net of legislation to catch those offenders, it will inevitably catch many of us who are doing nothing wrong. If I can help rein in some of this "rebellious group" and avoid government intervention then I will do so. I suspect I'm wasting my breath though as almost everybody reading this is convinced that they are not part of the problem. Believe it or not, showing a little consideration for your fellow man is not a terrible way to live.

I'll get off my soapbox now.

 

Please explain that. You are either riding a bike with pipes loud enough to be illegal or you aren't in which case you have no problem. Or is it that you think you get to decide what is too loud but no one else does?

And btw I don't run straight pipes nor is my bike loud so I am definitely not part of the problem as even if this bylaw is enacted, I will come in under the limit.

"...you do not have the "right" to create noise that is offensive by community standards."

According to the law as written in this case, you do, as long as it is not done with a motorcycle.

 

Non-riding people are getting totally upset with load pipes and we will all face severe restrictions that will be enforced if we don't get reasonable.
Here are some examples with noise source, decibel level, and noise effect.

Average factory , Freight train= 80 decibels =Possible hearing damage

Busy urban street,Diesel truck = 90 decibels = hearing damage (8 hrs)

Power lawn mower, Motorcycle, jackhammer = 100 decibels =serious hearing damage (8 hrs)

The noise level limit in Oregon for motorcycles is 99 decibels measured at 20".
The AMA lists the laws of each state, here's a link:
http://www.amadirectlink.com/legisltn/laws.asp

Many aftermarket pipes and mufflers are over 100 decibels. If locals start to complain about our pipes to their elected state officials we will all suffer because some irresponsible person has to wake the dead.