Clutchless shifting! Who doesn't and why not?
#111
Sorry Dude
Save wear and tear on a clutch and destroy a transmission costing many many thousands to fix.
Clutches were designed to be used on Tractor trailers, motorcycles, cars, you name it for a reason.
I cannot think of a single reason other than all out drag racing(maybe) where you would not use a clutch. Oh yeah- The drag racers are also rebuilding their trannys every week,,,,, by choice.
#112
Boy this ones hurting my head. Motorcycle and car transmissions are completely different. A motorcycle has a constant mesh sequential gearbox without synchronizers. All that's required to make a normal shift is the need to momentarily unload the gearbox when shifting. It will safely shift into the next gear. Down shifting is an invitation to locking the wheel but up shifting can be smoother than using the clutch. All it takes is a slight twitch of the throttle,even at WOT to make a smooth clutch less up shift. I think BMW even offers a shift assist option on its 175HP K1300S bikes. It must momentarily interrupt power for a fraction of a second when you toe the shifter. WOT clutch less up shifts and a full warranty. If that won't convince the doubters I'm out of ideas.
#114
Boy this ones hurting my head. Motorcycle and car transmissions are completely different. A motorcycle has a constant mesh sequential gearbox without synchronizers. All that's required to make a normal shift is the need to momentarily unload the gearbox when shifting. It will safely shift into the next gear. Down shifting is an invitation to locking the wheel but up shifting can be smoother than using the clutch. All it takes is a slight twitch of the throttle,even at WOT to make a smooth clutch less up shift. I think BMW even offers a shift assist option on its 175HP K1300S bikes. It must momentarily interrupt power for a fraction of a second when you toe the shifter. WOT clutch less up shifts and a full warranty. If that won't convince the doubters I'm out of ideas.
Exactly. BMW offers a way to upshift without the clutch. Know why> Because the're tired of people destroying their trannys on warranty & can say it's not their problem.
#115
Under normal circumstances I always use the clutch. But there have been times when I did not: During the worst times of my dequrvanes tendenitis on my old bike it hurt a lot to make the clutch pull and I regularly upshifted without it and had no problems. After a while the tendonitis got better and I never shifted again without the clutch.
Then I broke my wrist in December. Mostly I stayed off the bike, but when weather permitted and my itch got too bad to control, once again I rode and only used the clutch for downshifts and stops. No problems again.
Then I broke my wrist in December. Mostly I stayed off the bike, but when weather permitted and my itch got too bad to control, once again I rode and only used the clutch for downshifts and stops. No problems again.
#116
I do it all of the time. 70k on 99 RK. One of the reasons that I don't use the clutch is because I know that it bugs the hell out of people that want everyone to do things the way they do them. If someone backs their car into a parking space in the senior community that my Grandmother lives in they all freakout and talk about it for weeks.
Can't we all just get along? No! I guess if you want to go against society now days you have to ride a Honda.
Can't we all just get along? No! I guess if you want to go against society now days you have to ride a Honda.
#117
What I'm implying is really hard to say. Over the years of shifting without a clutch you develope a "Feel". I know when I'm shifting too hard or when I need to give it alittle more. Done right, it just glides in. You get to know when it's alright to shift and when not to. It all becomes second nature over time as you get to know your bike. Kinda like we all know just how much clutch to give your bike as you pull away from a stop. You don't think about it, you just do it.
If I came off harsh, I didn't mean to.... too much. I can't stand people speaking up that don't have a clue. It's an irritation of mine.
If I came off harsh, I didn't mean to.... too much. I can't stand people speaking up that don't have a clue. It's an irritation of mine.
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