Why is painting tins so expensive?
#102
01-26-2010, 06:56 PM
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Midniteevil- In our neck of the woods most shops use Dupont or Sikkins. The resto/rod shops mostly use PPG. A good friend, who runs a small rod shop, told me they use PPG mainly because most guys read rod magazines and think they have to have PPG. There must be a reason a majority use Dupont. The shop I worked at for many years looked at changing supplier and after trying all the other major brands stuck with Dupont. When setting up our shop we used several different systems and went back to Dupont. I will admit a big plus is the Dupont rep for our area.
Certainly the local rep plays a key role in the relationship with the shop. In some areas, it's not uncommon for a paint rep to dump a machine in the shop and they never see him again.
#103
01-26-2010, 07:00 PM
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I had to go meet Freak in Joliet today. Was going to take my bike but didn't because I had to go to St Charles after that for another meeting. I was glad I left the bike home because my Jeep was doing some slipping and sliding, and it was snowing like a bitch most of the way home. The bike would have probably sucked today. I think I'd likely have fallen down a time or two.
Maybe I should pull the tins and paint it now.
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01-26-2010, 10:11 PM
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Price for PPG, Dupont, BASF name brands is pretty much the same regardless of the vehicle and none of them sell for 30 bucks a quart. Even an offbrand like Omni is 40 bucks a quart at Finishmaster (for "Chevy" paint). I aint saying you didn't get paint for 30 bucks. But that price is misleading here.
Its nice you got a buddy and Im sure others have painter friends too, but that wasn't what the op asked.
Its nice you got a buddy and Im sure others have painter friends too, but that wasn't what the op asked.
#105
01-26-2010, 10:33 PM
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Price for PPG, Dupont, BASF name brands is pretty much the same regardless of the vehicle and none of them sell for 30 bucks a quart. Even an offbrand like Omni is 40 bucks a quart at Finishmaster (for "Chevy" paint). I aint saying you didn't get paint for 30 bucks. But that price is misleading here.
#106
01-26-2010, 10:39 PM
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I have a question that goes along with this thread...
How many 'average joes' ever enter their bike in a show? Not many, so why does the 'average joe' always want a 'show finish'? Cuz he want's to impress somebody is my guess. I'm more impressed by the guy who can do all the work on his bike, rather than the guy who can afford to have a custom show bike sit in the garage. But I'm not like most people. And, I've seen some pretty fantastic jobs done by what some of you guys would call a 'shade tree'. Where do you think all these different paint styles came from in the first place?
That brings up another point, how many of you guys really want that type of paint on a bike you ride every day? Or, should I say, how many want to ride their custom show bike in the rain, snow, blazing sun, or any other kind of bad weather? Don't answer, you'd prolly lie anyway.
My pride comes from a different place than most I reckon...
How many 'average joes' ever enter their bike in a show? Not many, so why does the 'average joe' always want a 'show finish'? Cuz he want's to impress somebody is my guess. I'm more impressed by the guy who can do all the work on his bike, rather than the guy who can afford to have a custom show bike sit in the garage. But I'm not like most people. And, I've seen some pretty fantastic jobs done by what some of you guys would call a 'shade tree'. Where do you think all these different paint styles came from in the first place?
That brings up another point, how many of you guys really want that type of paint on a bike you ride every day? Or, should I say, how many want to ride their custom show bike in the rain, snow, blazing sun, or any other kind of bad weather? Don't answer, you'd prolly lie anyway.
My pride comes from a different place than most I reckon...
#107
01-26-2010, 11:59 PM
I go to dealers, bodyshops and repair shops sometimes and it is funny to hear their estimates. I never pay. Usually as soon as I tell them that I am in car business their estimate drops.
Here is example for you guys, it is not about paint but it is all the same.
I was buying parts from Ford dealer and heard old man got estimate 1300-1400 dollars. I talked to him about his problem. Air bag light was on. I just solved that problem in my car so I offered to help him.
It took me whole day to fix it. It would take dealer mechanic about 30 min.
It took me long time because I had to find a manual which I didn't have, diaghram etc.
How do like that? $1400 for 30 min job?
It is typical! Something like that is going on in body shops. They will keep your car there for 10 days but work on it 3 hours. And they will spend 30 min telling you stories about frozen paint etc.
Here is example for you guys, it is not about paint but it is all the same.
I was buying parts from Ford dealer and heard old man got estimate 1300-1400 dollars. I talked to him about his problem. Air bag light was on. I just solved that problem in my car so I offered to help him.
It took me whole day to fix it. It would take dealer mechanic about 30 min.
It took me long time because I had to find a manual which I didn't have, diaghram etc.
How do like that? $1400 for 30 min job?
It is typical! Something like that is going on in body shops. They will keep your car there for 10 days but work on it 3 hours. And they will spend 30 min telling you stories about frozen paint etc.
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#108
01-27-2010, 10:57 AM
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Newbiker- Hope you can find a manual and a diagram when some boozo jumps a stop sign and bends your front end a foot to the side. You'll need some tools too, like a Black Hawk frame rack. Price one of those puppies out and ask again why a shop charges what it does. Hope that old guy doesn't hit a pot hole and eat airbag!
#109
01-27-2010, 11:35 AM
Do the math. 25 a pint is how much a quart? Nason is not a premium brand. It is, like Omni, a budget priced paint (for Dupont) and, according to your pricing, $50 a quart.
#110
01-27-2010, 11:49 AM
Don't know how I missed this one. If you're buying the top line, yeah, probably not going to find it at a jobber for $30 a quart. You don't need the top line product as the cost has a little to do with the product and everything to do with color match documentation and lifetime warranty. In that case, $30 per quart is more than feasible - if it's not red, orange or yellow.
So whats your point? I never said you need top line paint. So you pay $30 a quart. Woohoo. Does that affect the overall cost of painting tins for everyone on this forum? No. It has been established by others here that $1000 is not unreasonable, and that cost of paint itself is but one small percentage of overall cost. Now go ahead and have your last word.