Buell Wins!
#31
09-22-2009 | 01:40 PM
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Cheers to you Mavrick! I have tons of respect for those that are willing to hear a different viewpoint and then actually do some honest to goodness research into why people hold those viewpoints. Those with a closed mind that refuse to educate themselves.... not so much.
#32
09-22-2009 | 03:11 PM
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Restricting performance is nothing new. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this just NASBIKE? Toyota had to make the worst engine in the history of the company to meet the "rules" to race NASCAR. And, people pay a lot of money to see those fake stock cars go around in a banked circle.
I say let the fans enjoy some close racing action--a league for the fans and not the bikes. It is what it is. Anyway, Harley is already the greatest name in the history of motorcycling. OK, so I'm counting M V Agusta and Aeromacchi--a Harley is a Harley, even when it's Italian.
I say let the fans enjoy some close racing action--a league for the fans and not the bikes. It is what it is. Anyway, Harley is already the greatest name in the history of motorcycling. OK, so I'm counting M V Agusta and Aeromacchi--a Harley is a Harley, even when it's Italian.
#33
09-23-2009 | 01:44 AM
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First they were allowed to cheat by entering a purpose built "race" bike the XBrr in a class with 600 cc street bikes, then they were allowed to enter an 1125cc twin against 600cc 4's 1000cc and 848cc twins, then they were allowed to build another purpose built race bike with all sorts of broken rules attached to it and enter it in SB races. At every turn they have had their asses handed to them, until now, finally AMA/DMG has come up with a ridiculous rules package that allows his bikes to win.
My apologies to the O.P.I watch the Daytona races and I always pull for Danny Eslick and Buell bikes. I don't doubt the honesty of any of the comments made here; I've read books that suggested Harley controlled the AMA years ago and therefore controlled the races.
My question to each of you is why do the other racers and manufacturers put up with the special rules and continue to compete? Why don't they boycott DMG or compete in a different series? Do you think it's possible that they consider the rules fair and equitable?
I want to make it clear that I'm not picking a fight here, I'm only asking for opinions to get a little incite. I personally would not want to compete in a "fixed" race.
#34
09-23-2009 | 10:46 AM
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Actually, they are pulling out. There was no factory Kawasaki this year and Honda has already stated they will not be competing next year. When you look at it from their perspective though, they have tons on money wrapped up in these racing series and for them to pull out is a huge financial loss.
There was also a new series discussed last year by the manufacturers, but I believe ( not 100% positive ) that they found it to be too expensive to start an entirely new series on their own.
The whole thing is a no win situation for everyone involved, that is, except for Buell. The fans are getting hosed due to inferior competition, the promoters are getting hosed due to low attendance, the advertisers and sponsors are getting hosed due to record low TV ratings and the manufacturers are getting hosed because they are unable to display their machines on equal ground vs. the competition.
DMG should be real proud of what they've accomplished.
My apologies to the O.P.
I watch the Daytona races and I always pull for Danny Eslick and Buell bikes. I don't doubt the honesty of any of the comments made here; I've read books that suggested Harley controlled the AMA years ago and therefore controlled the races.
My question to each of you is why do the other racers and manufacturers put up with the special rules and continue to compete? Why don't they boycott DMG or compete in a different series? Do you think it's possible that they consider the rules fair and equitable?
I want to make it clear that I'm not picking a fight here, I'm only asking for opinions to get a little incite. I personally would not want to compete in a "fixed" race.
There was also a new series discussed last year by the manufacturers, but I believe ( not 100% positive ) that they found it to be too expensive to start an entirely new series on their own.
The whole thing is a no win situation for everyone involved, that is, except for Buell. The fans are getting hosed due to inferior competition, the promoters are getting hosed due to low attendance, the advertisers and sponsors are getting hosed due to record low TV ratings and the manufacturers are getting hosed because they are unable to display their machines on equal ground vs. the competition.
DMG should be real proud of what they've accomplished.
My apologies to the O.P.I watch the Daytona races and I always pull for Danny Eslick and Buell bikes. I don't doubt the honesty of any of the comments made here; I've read books that suggested Harley controlled the AMA years ago and therefore controlled the races.
My question to each of you is why do the other racers and manufacturers put up with the special rules and continue to compete? Why don't they boycott DMG or compete in a different series? Do you think it's possible that they consider the rules fair and equitable?
I want to make it clear that I'm not picking a fight here, I'm only asking for opinions to get a little incite. I personally would not want to compete in a "fixed" race.
#35
09-23-2009 | 02:08 PM
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Lincoln.. no worries my friend, it's all good, and... thanks, but there's no need to apologize to the OP for me.. if he has an issue with anything I said, he's free to discuss it with me..
Anyway, nathanw as already answered your questions.. there are major manufacturers withdrawing from AMA/DMG racing. Honda's announcement is huge.. their withdrawal I think, will seriously hurt the sport.
The only other thing I would say to you, would be do what I did.. check out the current rule structure for DSB and then decide for yourself.. Like another poster mentioned.. rules to favor on particular manufacturer or another is nothing new, just very rarely is it this blatant.. I said it before and I'll say it again, I don't hate Buell.. and I very much respect Erik Buell's engineering philosophy.. and I may very well buy an XB12 sometime next year.. but all that doesn't change reality, which is.. Buell sportbikes are not anywhere close to being on par performance wise, with the current crop of liter bikes.. or the smaller 600's for that matter.. So, with all due respect to Danny Eslick and the Gieco race team, I very strongly believe that without the help granted by the current rule set, Buell would never have won the DSB championship.
Cheers
mavrick
Anyway, nathanw as already answered your questions.. there are major manufacturers withdrawing from AMA/DMG racing. Honda's announcement is huge.. their withdrawal I think, will seriously hurt the sport.
The only other thing I would say to you, would be do what I did.. check out the current rule structure for DSB and then decide for yourself.. Like another poster mentioned.. rules to favor on particular manufacturer or another is nothing new, just very rarely is it this blatant.. I said it before and I'll say it again, I don't hate Buell.. and I very much respect Erik Buell's engineering philosophy.. and I may very well buy an XB12 sometime next year.. but all that doesn't change reality, which is.. Buell sportbikes are not anywhere close to being on par performance wise, with the current crop of liter bikes.. or the smaller 600's for that matter.. So, with all due respect to Danny Eslick and the Gieco race team, I very strongly believe that without the help granted by the current rule set, Buell would never have won the DSB championship.
Cheers
mavrick
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#36
09-23-2009 | 03:41 PM
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Actually, they are pulling out. There was no factory Kawasaki this year and Honda has already stated they will not be competing next year. When you look at it from their perspective though, they have tons on money wrapped up in these racing series and for them to pull out is a huge financial loss.
There was also a new series discussed last year by the manufacturers, but I believe ( not 100% positive ) that they found it to be too expensive to start an entirely new series on their own.
The whole thing is a no win situation for everyone involved, that is, except for Buell. The fans are getting hosed due to inferior competition, the promoters are getting hosed due to low attendance, the advertisers and sponsors are getting hosed due to record low TV ratings and the manufacturers are getting hosed because they are unable to display their machines on equal ground vs. the competition.
DMG should be real proud of what they've accomplished.
There was also a new series discussed last year by the manufacturers, but I believe ( not 100% positive ) that they found it to be too expensive to start an entirely new series on their own.
The whole thing is a no win situation for everyone involved, that is, except for Buell. The fans are getting hosed due to inferior competition, the promoters are getting hosed due to low attendance, the advertisers and sponsors are getting hosed due to record low TV ratings and the manufacturers are getting hosed because they are unable to display their machines on equal ground vs. the competition.
DMG should be real proud of what they've accomplished.
Lincoln.. no worries my friend, it's all good, and... thanks, but there's no need to apologize to the OP for me.. if he has an issue with anything I said, he's free to discuss it with me..
Anyway, nathanw as already answered your questions.. there are major manufacturers withdrawing from AMA/DMG racing. Honda's announcement is huge.. their withdrawal I think, will seriously hurt the sport.
The only other thing I would say to you, would be do what I did.. check out the current rule structure for DSB and then decide for yourself.. Like another poster mentioned.. rules to favor on particular manufacturer or another is nothing new, just very rarely is it this blatant.. I said it before and I'll say it again, I don't hate Buell.. and I very much respect Erik Buell's engineering philosophy.. and I may very well buy an XB12 sometime next year.. but all that doesn't change reality, which is.. Buell sportbikes are not anywhere close to being on par performance wise, with the current crop of liter bikes.. or the smaller 600's for that matter.. So, with all due respect to Danny Eslick and the Gieco race team, I very strongly believe that without the help granted by the current rule set, Buell would never have won the DSB championship.
Cheers
mavrick
Anyway, nathanw as already answered your questions.. there are major manufacturers withdrawing from AMA/DMG racing. Honda's announcement is huge.. their withdrawal I think, will seriously hurt the sport.
The only other thing I would say to you, would be do what I did.. check out the current rule structure for DSB and then decide for yourself.. Like another poster mentioned.. rules to favor on particular manufacturer or another is nothing new, just very rarely is it this blatant.. I said it before and I'll say it again, I don't hate Buell.. and I very much respect Erik Buell's engineering philosophy.. and I may very well buy an XB12 sometime next year.. but all that doesn't change reality, which is.. Buell sportbikes are not anywhere close to being on par performance wise, with the current crop of liter bikes.. or the smaller 600's for that matter.. So, with all due respect to Danny Eslick and the Gieco race team, I very strongly believe that without the help granted by the current rule set, Buell would never have won the DSB championship.
Cheers
mavrick
#37
09-23-2009 | 03:53 PM
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Maybe they can put the 1125 in the XR1200 race when it starts too.
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/ro...for-ama-racing
Maybe they can put the 1125 in the XR1200 race when it starts too.
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/ro...for-ama-racing
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