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#41
08-04-2009, 12:38 PM
Road Captain
Very good post.
It is no different than a prison or any other place where the "law" is not available or capable of defending your rights. You (for the sake of living without CONSTANTLY looking over your shoulder) nuckle under and follow the "common laws". Without them, there would be chaos and the "argest and deadliest"M/C's would be the only onese doing anything, anywhere.
The government steps on my rights on a daily basis and if you are LEO or MIL (ex or current) you help them do it. It is done for the "greater good". The CoC "steps" on your god given rights in an attempt to keep a civil and blood free environment. They also act for the "greater good" wether you see it or not.
PGR could fight against it, but the PGR mission is not one of turf wars. The 1% mission is one of turf wars. Do you really feel like the PGR membership is ready for the kinda of down right bloodbath this type of fight could bring them? Do you even think its worth the effort? Over some colors?
Go into any poor inner city neighborhood and ask them about the right to wear colors. You are bitching because you can't wear a back patch...there are kids right here in the US who get shot for wearing ANY blue or ANY red at all...anywhere on their person. If you want fight a war over something.....fight the one that kills our children everyday....not the one that injures your pride.
....down from the soap box and back to the cellar I go.......
The government steps on my rights on a daily basis and if you are LEO or MIL (ex or current) you help them do it. It is done for the "greater good". The CoC "steps" on your god given rights in an attempt to keep a civil and blood free environment. They also act for the "greater good" wether you see it or not.
PGR could fight against it, but the PGR mission is not one of turf wars. The 1% mission is one of turf wars. Do you really feel like the PGR membership is ready for the kinda of down right bloodbath this type of fight could bring them? Do you even think its worth the effort? Over some colors?
Go into any poor inner city neighborhood and ask them about the right to wear colors. You are bitching because you can't wear a back patch...there are kids right here in the US who get shot for wearing ANY blue or ANY red at all...anywhere on their person. If you want fight a war over something.....fight the one that kills our children everyday....not the one that injures your pride.
....down from the soap box and back to the cellar I go.......
#42
08-04-2009, 01:00 PM
Road Captain
With FREEDOM comes HONOR,RESPECT AND LOYALTY
Do what you can to rectify and correct the situation, like all conflicts it's just a matter of understanding each others view points and coming to a compromise and agreement
Do what you can to rectify and correct the situation, like all conflicts it's just a matter of understanding each others view points and coming to a compromise and agreement
#43
08-04-2009, 01:17 PM
Flame on, buddy, I don't care.
#44
08-04-2009, 01:24 PM
Piasspj, I remember it. Have been around many 1%er's here in my area. Strange world that most will / can never understand. In a very odd way 1% MC's ( in our area ) are very Patriotic and proud of the fact that many of their members have a Military background. Just don't step into their shadow, its the darker side that's hard to wrap your mind around. A few years back a local MC actually corralled a group from a local church, ( not CMA, just good ole warm blooded God fearing, Christian folk who had designed their own patch to represent their little group) , off the road at gunpoint! and explained that they would not be wearing their patch in this area anymore. This isn't hearsay, its fact. Some where so shook up that they sold their bikes and took up different hobbies. Local COC wouldn't even bring it to the table at the next quarterly federation meeting. Things that make you say.... huh???
#45
08-04-2009, 01:26 PM
Its always easy to sit behind a puter screen and proclaim to the world how tough you are, when in reality your most likey not so tough.
i like how you think that texas has the "real" Patriot Guard and OK doesnt. What a arrogant thought.
I would tender a thought that you are mostly new to the world of Bikers and Patchs, which in its own right is fine.
I have been riding harleys since 1977 when most of you hated those that rode, now 32 years later you want to be what some of us were then. If you really dont understand why and how the CoC did what they did, go do some research and maybe you will learn about the world you stepped into.
#46
08-04-2009, 01:41 PM
It is no different than a prison or any other place where the "law" is not available or capable of defending your rights. You (for the sake of living without CONSTANTLY looking over your shoulder) nuckle under and follow the "common laws". Without them, there would be chaos and the "argest and deadliest"M/C's would be the only onese doing anything, anywhere. Chaos? You mean like the casino shootout a few years ago or the mass murder of a complete chapter in Canada? Or maybe the Toronto bombings? 1%ers dont follow laws, common or otherwise
The government steps on my rights on a daily basis and if you are LEO or MIL (ex or current) you help them do it. It is done for the "greater good". The CoC "steps" on your god given rights in an attempt to keep a civil and blood free environment. They also act for the "greater good" wether you see it or not. [B]Your elected officials pass the laws and I enforce them, if you feel like your rights are getting stepped on get the laws changed. As for the COC keeping a blood free environment see above /B]
PGR could fight against it, but the PGR mission is not one of turf wars. The 1% mission is one of turf wars. The PGR isn't fighting over turf they simply want to wear their organizations emblem on their vest and some corrupt organization is threatening them with violence (implied) if they do
Go into any poor inner city neighborhood and ask them about the right to wear colors. You are bitching because you can't wear a back patch...there are kids right here in the US who get shot for wearing ANY blue or ANY red at all...anywhere on their person. If you want fight a war over something.....fight the one that kills our children everyday....not the one that injures your pride.I fight this battle every day, thats a helluva lot more than you can say
....down from the soap box and back to the cellar I go.......
The government steps on my rights on a daily basis and if you are LEO or MIL (ex or current) you help them do it. It is done for the "greater good". The CoC "steps" on your god given rights in an attempt to keep a civil and blood free environment. They also act for the "greater good" wether you see it or not. [B]Your elected officials pass the laws and I enforce them, if you feel like your rights are getting stepped on get the laws changed. As for the COC keeping a blood free environment see above /B]
PGR could fight against it, but the PGR mission is not one of turf wars. The 1% mission is one of turf wars. The PGR isn't fighting over turf they simply want to wear their organizations emblem on their vest and some corrupt organization is threatening them with violence (implied) if they do
Go into any poor inner city neighborhood and ask them about the right to wear colors. You are bitching because you can't wear a back patch...there are kids right here in the US who get shot for wearing ANY blue or ANY red at all...anywhere on their person. If you want fight a war over something.....fight the one that kills our children everyday....not the one that injures your pride.I fight this battle every day, thats a helluva lot more than you can say
....down from the soap box and back to the cellar I go.......
#48
08-04-2009, 01:59 PM
Originally Posted by Double_Trouble 
It is no different than a prison or any other place where the "law" is not available or capable of defending your rights. You (for the sake of living without CONSTANTLY looking over your shoulder) nuckle under and follow the "common laws". Without them, there would be chaos and the "argest and deadliest"M/C's would be the only onese doing anything, anywhere. Chaos? You mean like the casino shootout a few years ago or the mass murder of a complete chapter in Canada? Or maybe the Toronto bombings? 1%ers dont follow laws, common or otherwise
Wrong. We follow laws. Not always and not especially yours, but you would be surprised how many laws there are in the 1%er world. And, contrary to many "civilian" laws, ours make sense. Don't write about things you only know about because you read about them.
The government steps on my rights on a daily basis and if you are LEO or MIL (ex or current) you help them do it. It is done for the "greater good". The CoC "steps" on your god given rights in an attempt to keep a civil and blood free environment. They also act for the "greater good" wether you see it or not. [b]Your elected officials pass the laws and I enforce them, if you feel like your rights are getting stepped on get the laws changed. As for the COC keeping a blood free environment see above /B]
Don't even go to the "elected officials" thing. Politicians are liars by passion, and sometimes it seems that they betray people by profession. I, for an example, never met a biker who thought helmet laws were right. They all think "let those who ride decide". I'd take a bunch of 1%ers any day over a bunch of politicians. And where's the problem with the statement that COC keeps a blood free environment? That's the reason we have COCs.
PGR could fight against it, but the PGR mission is not one of turf wars. The 1% mission is one of turf wars. The PGR isn't fighting over turf they simply want to wear their organizations emblem on their vest and some corrupt organization is threatening them with violence (implied) if they do
Survival of the fittest. Ever heard of it? If you go to Rome, do it like the Romans. Simple enough?
Go into any poor inner city neighborhood and ask them about the right to wear colors. You are bitching because you can't wear a back patch...there are kids right here in the US who get shot for wearing ANY blue or ANY red at all...anywhere on their person. If you want fight a war over something.....fight the one that kills our children everyday....not the one that injures your pride.I fight this battle every day, thats a helluva lot more than you can say
Hooray for boobies! I see a lot of LEOs here in MA and NH. All they do is to watch road works for 50 bucks an hour. Call them for something serious, and then watch the clock. Not all LEOs are heroes. Not in this world.
....down from the soap box and back to the cellar I go.......
It is no different than a prison or any other place where the "law" is not available or capable of defending your rights. You (for the sake of living without CONSTANTLY looking over your shoulder) nuckle under and follow the "common laws". Without them, there would be chaos and the "argest and deadliest"M/C's would be the only onese doing anything, anywhere. Chaos? You mean like the casino shootout a few years ago or the mass murder of a complete chapter in Canada? Or maybe the Toronto bombings? 1%ers dont follow laws, common or otherwise
Wrong. We follow laws. Not always and not especially yours, but you would be surprised how many laws there are in the 1%er world. And, contrary to many "civilian" laws, ours make sense. Don't write about things you only know about because you read about them.
The government steps on my rights on a daily basis and if you are LEO or MIL (ex or current) you help them do it. It is done for the "greater good". The CoC "steps" on your god given rights in an attempt to keep a civil and blood free environment. They also act for the "greater good" wether you see it or not. [b]Your elected officials pass the laws and I enforce them, if you feel like your rights are getting stepped on get the laws changed. As for the COC keeping a blood free environment see above /B]
Don't even go to the "elected officials" thing. Politicians are liars by passion, and sometimes it seems that they betray people by profession. I, for an example, never met a biker who thought helmet laws were right. They all think "let those who ride decide". I'd take a bunch of 1%ers any day over a bunch of politicians. And where's the problem with the statement that COC keeps a blood free environment? That's the reason we have COCs.
PGR could fight against it, but the PGR mission is not one of turf wars. The 1% mission is one of turf wars. The PGR isn't fighting over turf they simply want to wear their organizations emblem on their vest and some corrupt organization is threatening them with violence (implied) if they do
Survival of the fittest. Ever heard of it? If you go to Rome, do it like the Romans. Simple enough?
Go into any poor inner city neighborhood and ask them about the right to wear colors. You are bitching because you can't wear a back patch...there are kids right here in the US who get shot for wearing ANY blue or ANY red at all...anywhere on their person. If you want fight a war over something.....fight the one that kills our children everyday....not the one that injures your pride.I fight this battle every day, thats a helluva lot more than you can say
Hooray for boobies! I see a lot of LEOs here in MA and NH. All they do is to watch road works for 50 bucks an hour. Call them for something serious, and then watch the clock. Not all LEOs are heroes. Not in this world.
....down from the soap box and back to the cellar I go.......
#49
08-04-2009, 02:05 PM
Ultimate HDF Member
Some of the public comments I see from law enforcement officers (who are public servants that are sanctioned and paid by the public to serve and protect all citizens) seem a little bias, and if I do hope that their superiors and fellow officers are not as vocal or opinionated, especially when it comes to negative personal thoughts concerning various organizations.
Most LEO's I have dealt with over the years treat everyone on an equal basis, without being partial in performing their duties, even if they might have personal negative feelings towards the individual (or organization).
Making negative public comments dealing with certain citizens or organizations makes a person wonder..
Just my opinion...
Most LEO's I have dealt with over the years treat everyone on an equal basis, without being partial in performing their duties, even if they might have personal negative feelings towards the individual (or organization).
Making negative public comments dealing with certain citizens or organizations makes a person wonder..
Just my opinion...
#50
08-04-2009, 02:07 PM
Fact is, if you're gonna play in someone else's playground, you gotta play by the rules or pay the consequences.
Last edited by jokerx; 08-04-2009 at 02:10 PM.