Missouri Passes Helmet Law
#41
05-01-2009, 02:02 PM
13% of vehicle deaths involve motorcycles.
11% of vehicle deaths involve pedestrians.
http://www.iii.org/media/facts/
So, Mr. ATGATT what kind of gear should the pedestrians start wearing?
I'm not afraid of "facts" as you put it. I ride a motorcycle, which is inherently dangerous. I accept the risk every time I put the kickstand up.
But, what I'm not, is a holier-than-thou dude that feels it is my duty to tell others what they should or should not do.
BTW, I'm 54 years old, ridden bikes a long time, done a lot of other stupid ****, and am still alive. If you are much younger, as you seem to be, there's no guarantee you'll live this long no matter what the heck you wear.
Also, I wear a helmet 99% of the time, but that is MY CHOICE!
11% of vehicle deaths involve pedestrians.
http://www.iii.org/media/facts/
So, Mr. ATGATT what kind of gear should the pedestrians start wearing?
I'm not afraid of "facts" as you put it. I ride a motorcycle, which is inherently dangerous. I accept the risk every time I put the kickstand up.
But, what I'm not, is a holier-than-thou dude that feels it is my duty to tell others what they should or should not do.
BTW, I'm 54 years old, ridden bikes a long time, done a lot of other stupid ****, and am still alive. If you are much younger, as you seem to be, there's no guarantee you'll live this long no matter what the heck you wear.
Also, I wear a helmet 99% of the time, but that is MY CHOICE!
#42
05-01-2009, 03:28 PM
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What a great explanation of the process, and how much work it is to get a law changed. Any law, not just a helmet law.
Just a few facts on what is really going on here in MO. I have been a member of Freedom Of Road Riders since 1981 and we have been trying to repeal the law that entire time. We have tried it with full freedom of choice, only 18 and under, only under 21 and now under 21 and on interstates. The law is not in effect until the governor signs it or leaves it laying on his desk and it passes by default. If he vetoes it, we have to go back to the House and Senate and get a 2/3rds majority before the end of the session on May 15th (almost impossible to do). If everything goes right, the new law goes into effect on Aug. 28th. There is a sunshine clause in the law that would allow the helmet law to go back in effect in five years if we don't get that changed. So if we get the law modified we still have more work ahead of us.
Anyone who thinks this is an easy process and that you can get anything you want is not living in the real world. FORR has spent 28 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars getting the law through the legislature as is. We also got it through in '99 when gov. Carnahan (who had taken campaign contributions from us and promised to sign the law) vetoed it. About a year later he died in a plane crash and not many bikers in this state mourned him.
Want to get rid of the lid law in your state? It's a long hard road filled with setbacks and compromises. You start by joining your local state MRO and going to meetings, sending e-mails or letters and making phone calls to legislators, and visiting the capitol. Then you should join MRF and the AMA to keep the feds from instituting a national helmet law or federal funds blackmail. Then when you finally get the law modified or repealed, you try to keep deaths down with awareness campaigns, rider education, and a ride straight campaign. If the deaths go up, the helmet law will return, pure and simple.
Smokey Strodtman
lifetime FORR member
lifetime AMA member
member MRF
Anyone who thinks this is an easy process and that you can get anything you want is not living in the real world. FORR has spent 28 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars getting the law through the legislature as is. We also got it through in '99 when gov. Carnahan (who had taken campaign contributions from us and promised to sign the law) vetoed it. About a year later he died in a plane crash and not many bikers in this state mourned him.
Want to get rid of the lid law in your state? It's a long hard road filled with setbacks and compromises. You start by joining your local state MRO and going to meetings, sending e-mails or letters and making phone calls to legislators, and visiting the capitol. Then you should join MRF and the AMA to keep the feds from instituting a national helmet law or federal funds blackmail. Then when you finally get the law modified or repealed, you try to keep deaths down with awareness campaigns, rider education, and a ride straight campaign. If the deaths go up, the helmet law will return, pure and simple.
Smokey Strodtman
lifetime FORR member
lifetime AMA member
member MRF
#43
05-02-2009, 02:13 PM
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something was said about the 5 years we will have w/o helmets. but what about the insurance liability stuff that is also on this bill? does anyone know where i can read everything that is in this bill soon to be law? thank you in advance
#45
05-02-2009, 08:25 PM
Check this link it should explain what you want to read
#46
05-02-2009, 09:38 PM
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Yep it never fails.....
I've been riding Harley's for about 39 years, and have never worn helmets (except when passing through states where they are required)...
Doesn't matter to me if people wear them or not, as it's their decision and none of my business.
I don't try to force my opinions on others and I expect the same in return..
Helmet
No Helmet
I've been riding Harley's for about 39 years, and have never worn helmets (except when passing through states where they are required)...
Doesn't matter to me if people wear them or not, as it's their decision and none of my business.
I don't try to force my opinions on others and I expect the same in return..
Helmet
No Helmet
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05-03-2009, 12:57 AM
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Thank You! I like that they are not going to let insurance companies claim that we the riders are to blame (or at least 50% to blame like they do now) for any accident with cagers. that happened to a buddy of mine who was riding a 500cc sport bike he got for his lil brother. a car tboned him as it was coming outa mcdonalds. they said he was stunting it and claimed he did not have full control. he was doing 10mph under the limit. still ins would not give him all that was owed till he took them to court took 5 years to get it fixed.
Last edited by moguy; 05-03-2009 at 01:34 AM.
#48
05-03-2009, 02:23 AM
Attention MO riders!
The helmet law repeal has passed the Senate and House and will now go to the governor's desk. The pro-helmet law forces are gearing up a big campaign to push for a veto. WE NEED PHONE CALLS TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE! His phone number is 573-751-3222. If you are in favor of repeal, tell the staff member or answering service that you support SB202. That's all you need to say and it will probably take less than 30 seconds. We are so close but could still be defeated if we ignore this last critical step. Thanks so much to those of you who take the time to do this and help return freedom of choice to MO riders.
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05-03-2009, 09:29 AM
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I too will be making my call tomorrow. I will also be sending out emails to friends asking them to call.
To each his own (wear one or not), but that choice has been a long time in coming to us here in Missouri.
To each his own (wear one or not), but that choice has been a long time in coming to us here in Missouri.