Thank You Motor Officers!!!!!
#61
04-30-2009 | 05:15 PM
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Same trend here man. Motor cops in LA are totally cool to bikers.
I rode with two LAPD officers Sunday night (off-duty of course) to a couple of t*tty bars along with some other friends from the dealer. I met them through my buddy who's the sales guy at my dealer. We burned every red light and were avg'ing around 65 mph on the streets. One of their bikes was louder than mine. They are around my age, 27, so they are young, but they're not punks and they don't write too many tickets, unless you do something stupid or are a jacka$$ in front of them.
We always have convos about other cops when we ride together. Most LA cops don't care if you have illegal pipes, non DOT helmet (both of them wore novelties just like mine), etc. Some can be PITAs but for the most part, they ride what we ride...with that said, they don't like crotch rockets.
In the end, they're just reg dudes out to have a good time too. And yes, one of the perks of being a cop is to be able to do what we did without punishment.
We do have stupid laws, but if they aren't enforeced, they don't mean squat. I have never been hassled on my bike, yet, but I get hassled in my car ALL the time
I rode with two LAPD officers Sunday night (off-duty of course) to a couple of t*tty bars along with some other friends from the dealer. I met them through my buddy who's the sales guy at my dealer. We burned every red light and were avg'ing around 65 mph on the streets. One of their bikes was louder than mine. They are around my age, 27, so they are young, but they're not punks and they don't write too many tickets, unless you do something stupid or are a jacka$$ in front of them.
We always have convos about other cops when we ride together. Most LA cops don't care if you have illegal pipes, non DOT helmet (both of them wore novelties just like mine), etc. Some can be PITAs but for the most part, they ride what we ride...with that said, they don't like crotch rockets.
In the end, they're just reg dudes out to have a good time too. And yes, one of the perks of being a cop is to be able to do what we did without punishment.
We do have stupid laws, but if they aren't enforeced, they don't mean squat. I have never been hassled on my bike, yet, but I get hassled in my car ALL the time
#63
04-30-2009 | 07:42 PM
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Hey Lincoln, read this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/po.../28scotus.html
Ok, now come back at me with how I'm wrong
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/po.../28scotus.html
Ok, now come back at me with how I'm wrong
I was surprised at the courts decision. Arkansas was one of the two dozen states that enacted domestic abuse laws requiring arrest for domestic battery or violation of protection orders if the officer had contact with or could locate the suspect. Originally there was a four hour window for arrest but that was recently increased to twelve hours so officers are still obligated (under state law) to provide this form of protection. I guess the Supreme Court decision could give the officers an out if they were ever brought up on charges for failing to make an arrest.
With that said I agree that the officers are not "constitutionally bound" to protect the public, but I dont think the court decision allows officers to turn a blind eye to someone in need of protection. Whether it's mandated through state law or department policy we as police officers still have a "responsibility" to "Serve and Protect".
Not only were you not wrong but in actuality we were both right
Now what was this thread about?
#64
04-30-2009 | 07:52 PM
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Ok I read it now I have to pick it apart so I dont have to concede anything.
I was surprised at the courts decision. Arkansas was one of the two dozen states that enacted domestic abuse laws requiring arrest for domestic battery or violation of protection orders if the officer had contact with or could locate the suspect. Originally there was a four hour window for arrest but that was recently increased to twelve hours so officers are still obligated (under state law) to provide this form of protection. I guess the Supreme Court decision could give the officers an out if they were ever brought up on charges for failing to make an arrest.
With that said I agree that the officers are not "constitutionally bound" to protect the public, but I dont think the court decision allows officers to turn a blind eye to someone in need of protection. Whether it's mandated through state law or department policy we as police officers still have a "responsibility" to "Serve and Protect".
Not only were you not wrong but in actuality we were both right
Now what was this thread about?
I was surprised at the courts decision. Arkansas was one of the two dozen states that enacted domestic abuse laws requiring arrest for domestic battery or violation of protection orders if the officer had contact with or could locate the suspect. Originally there was a four hour window for arrest but that was recently increased to twelve hours so officers are still obligated (under state law) to provide this form of protection. I guess the Supreme Court decision could give the officers an out if they were ever brought up on charges for failing to make an arrest.
With that said I agree that the officers are not "constitutionally bound" to protect the public, but I dont think the court decision allows officers to turn a blind eye to someone in need of protection. Whether it's mandated through state law or department policy we as police officers still have a "responsibility" to "Serve and Protect".
Not only were you not wrong but in actuality we were both right
Now what was this thread about?
You're wrong. Again.
#65
04-30-2009 | 08:16 PM
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I've never been pulled over by a moto-cop but have been pulled by cruisers a couple of times. When I hear stories about cops "Perks" or cops buddies perks, allowing them to speed, run red lites, thats what really Pi$$es me off. They take an oath to enforce laws and then break the same laws they are paid to enforce! Hypocritical BS in my opinion and that is the main reason lotsa folks find it difficult to respect LEO's.
#66
04-30-2009 | 08:23 PM
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From: Wisconsin
I've never been pulled over by a moto-cop but have been pulled by cruisers a couple of times. When I hear stories about cops "Perks" or cops buddies perks, allowing them to speed, run red lites, thats what really Pi$$es me off. They take an oath to enforce laws and then break the same laws they are paid to enforce! Hypocritical BS in my opinion and that is the main reason lotsa folks find it difficult to respect LEO's.
And as far as respecting them goes, you don't respect them until you need them for something or they save your behind, right?
#67
04-30-2009 | 08:30 PM
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Hey Billp...
In my nearly 50 years on this rock I've yet to figure it all out! What I do know...when I see a cop in my mirror I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling, nothin like Ahhh yes, I'm safer now! Its more like oh crap, was I speedin, is my tag expired, did I touch the yellow line, do I have my wallet, are my pipes too loud etc etc etc!
And respect is something earned, not something you just hand out at will. And if I ever am in a jam and need a cop, if one happens to be around it still would not be a matter of respect. It would be more like appreciation & grattitude.
In my nearly 50 years on this rock I've yet to figure it all out! What I do know...when I see a cop in my mirror I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling, nothin like Ahhh yes, I'm safer now! Its more like oh crap, was I speedin, is my tag expired, did I touch the yellow line, do I have my wallet, are my pipes too loud etc etc etc!
And respect is something earned, not something you just hand out at will. And if I ever am in a jam and need a cop, if one happens to be around it still would not be a matter of respect. It would be more like appreciation & grattitude.
#68
04-30-2009 | 08:31 PM
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Sorry, it is not an officers responsibility to "serve and protect" you. Stop watching television. An officer's job is to enforce the laws (by arrest or citation), investigate crimes, and testify in court to their findings. Period. There is no mandate, and never has been one, that an officer's primary duty is to protect anyone.
#70
04-30-2009 | 08:42 PM
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you guys arguing about serving and protecting.....
the very nature of their job is to 'serve' the public good, might not be good for you specifically, but for the good of all in general.
as far as protecting, that doesn't mean standing guard in front of your door all the time, by enforcing the laws that the courts have decided are 'good for us', they are in fact 'protecting' us. again, you might be the recipient of something not so good, but if you are the one doing something wrong, then they are protecting the rest of us from an unintended consequence of your actions.....
the very nature of their job is to 'serve' the public good, might not be good for you specifically, but for the good of all in general.
as far as protecting, that doesn't mean standing guard in front of your door all the time, by enforcing the laws that the courts have decided are 'good for us', they are in fact 'protecting' us. again, you might be the recipient of something not so good, but if you are the one doing something wrong, then they are protecting the rest of us from an unintended consequence of your actions.....