I want 100 RELIABLE h.P.
#11
Mine has a 98" Millenium cyclinder kit, woods gear drive cams, S&S gear drive, Wiseco forged moly pistons 10.5:1 and even with going up one tooth on the primary front sprocket, pulled 89/108 on the dyno
#12
My Springer was punched out to 103", Woods TW6-6 cams, heads/cylinders/pistons machined by Baisley, Stage I, Zipper air filter, Fat Cat exhaust and a good dyno tune - 101hp/107tq and it is smooth power. It is still a low compression engine, too. I seem to recall the compression is onlty 9.8:1. Doc in Florida did the whole thing and I remember it being under $4,000 for everything including the tune.
#13
100 reliable HP is achievable at 96ci. HD HTCC heads, SE throttle body, intake manifold, and air cleaner. SERT, good pipes, Andrews gear drive cams. Seen it done on a friend’s street glide. If your local dealer installs everything they probably will warranty it. But it depends on the dealer and your relationship with the dealer.
#14
Just buy a Yamaha Raider. 113 inches, 125 ft lbs torque right out of the box. $13k and you're good.
Naw, but look for torque numbers, not HP. Torque is what you'll use in a practical sense. You'd rather have a higher torque number than a higher HP number, if they are significantly different.
If you find that you can increase torque significantly and a lot cheaper than increasing both Hp and torque, you can settle for the torque. 90 HP and 100 ft lbs torque should move it right out.
Since torque is most useful at lower rpms (say 1500 - 4000 rpm,) and HP most useful at higher rpms, you might find you could avoid higher compression, radical cams and even head work.
Torque, to oversimplify, is "immediate raw twisting power" (at the crank) and HP, to oversimplify is "power sustained over time." You use torque to get it moving while accelerating from a stop light to highway speeds. You use HP to sustain cruise at 80 mph. - again, all oversimplified but it makes the point.
Radical cams lower your effective compression ratio by loss from overlap mainly. Thus, radical cams call for increased CR. Radical cams kill low end power and kick in at higher rpms. Radical cams need bigger valves and head work since they work at higher rpms and need to flow more air. Torquey cams work at lower rpms and actually need smaller valves and runners to increase the velocity of the fuel/air at lower rpms.
In sum, unless you want to spend big bucks, you already have enough cubes. Talk torque to your builder with a stage 2 and you should be able to see 100 ft lbs torque at 2500 rpm, and a strong pull from 1500 rpms on a budget.
Frankly, for normal street use, I dont give a rip what the dyno numbers show above 4500 rpm.
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PS OK, finished my coffee.
If it were my bike, it would get S&S 510 gear drive cams with new cam bearings and adjustable pushrods ($1200?) a better breather ($150?) and 2 into 1 exhaust ($600?) and whatever you like for an electronic tuner, and a dyno tune. $2,500 total? It's said that the twinkie 88 heads breath better than the 96" heads and they are cheap as new take-offs. You'd have the additional cost of R&R, but you wouldn't need the adjustable push rods so you'd save maybe $150 there.
Naw, but look for torque numbers, not HP. Torque is what you'll use in a practical sense. You'd rather have a higher torque number than a higher HP number, if they are significantly different.
If you find that you can increase torque significantly and a lot cheaper than increasing both Hp and torque, you can settle for the torque. 90 HP and 100 ft lbs torque should move it right out.
Since torque is most useful at lower rpms (say 1500 - 4000 rpm,) and HP most useful at higher rpms, you might find you could avoid higher compression, radical cams and even head work.
Torque, to oversimplify, is "immediate raw twisting power" (at the crank) and HP, to oversimplify is "power sustained over time." You use torque to get it moving while accelerating from a stop light to highway speeds. You use HP to sustain cruise at 80 mph. - again, all oversimplified but it makes the point.
Radical cams lower your effective compression ratio by loss from overlap mainly. Thus, radical cams call for increased CR. Radical cams kill low end power and kick in at higher rpms. Radical cams need bigger valves and head work since they work at higher rpms and need to flow more air. Torquey cams work at lower rpms and actually need smaller valves and runners to increase the velocity of the fuel/air at lower rpms.
In sum, unless you want to spend big bucks, you already have enough cubes. Talk torque to your builder with a stage 2 and you should be able to see 100 ft lbs torque at 2500 rpm, and a strong pull from 1500 rpms on a budget.
Frankly, for normal street use, I dont give a rip what the dyno numbers show above 4500 rpm.
$.02
PS OK, finished my coffee.
If it were my bike, it would get S&S 510 gear drive cams with new cam bearings and adjustable pushrods ($1200?) a better breather ($150?) and 2 into 1 exhaust ($600?) and whatever you like for an electronic tuner, and a dyno tune. $2,500 total? It's said that the twinkie 88 heads breath better than the 96" heads and they are cheap as new take-offs. You'd have the additional cost of R&R, but you wouldn't need the adjustable push rods so you'd save maybe $150 there.
Last edited by JBaker421; 04-10-2009 at 11:52 AM.
#15
I'm guessing I'll get 20 different answers here, but that's okay, I'd like to consider them all. I just bought an '08 S.G. And I know it's a little more than 100 lbs heavier than my '05 Fat Boy (which has the stock 88 c.i.), but I'm telling you, I just feel like there is absolutely nothing there when I twist it!
And now that I've got a bagger with the intent of touring (which means more weight when loaded), I just need more H.P. and torque. In your opinions, what's the best way for me to get 90-100 H.P.? I'm getting the Rinehart true duals and the Harley heavy breather intake, and that should give me about 10-12 h.p. more than stock, but what's the next step? 103 Kit? Gear driven cams? I'm not looking for some "monster", I just want better, reliable performance.
Any help you guys could give me would be much appreciated.
And now that I've got a bagger with the intent of touring (which means more weight when loaded), I just need more H.P. and torque. In your opinions, what's the best way for me to get 90-100 H.P.? I'm getting the Rinehart true duals and the Harley heavy breather intake, and that should give me about 10-12 h.p. more than stock, but what's the next step? 103 Kit? Gear driven cams? I'm not looking for some "monster", I just want better, reliable performance.
Any help you guys could give me would be much appreciated.
Last edited by cowboy1; 04-10-2009 at 11:45 AM.
#16
Go with Mackie! The dealer here actually ships their parts to him for their customers and install it on the bikes to keep the warranty. You'll definetly want to get the S&S cam gears instead of the HP robbing chain that HD installs, Thunderheader 2-1 or SuperTrapp 2-1 (2-1 is best for HP) and that Mackie kit will give you more than enough to toss your head back, even 2 up.
#20
contact bean, he will give you the best deal on heads and set you straight on what parts you need.
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