so in your judgement black leather is just as visible to human vision as orange hi-vis / bright colors

ok

(I had more to say, and responded to your longer post point by point... twice.... but HDF/internet issues kept deleting the post and I'm not retyping it all a 3rd time)

 

Figures, you're a cop.

Okay Mr. Police Officer, why don't motorcycle cops wear one of your so called SAFETY VESTS vs. a dark blue or black uniform? I mean "if" they work so well and all.

 

In most cases, yes. Unless the other vehicle stops and remains at the scene, and the driver admits to creating a situation which the biker needed to avoid, there is really no way of proving or knowing another vehicle was involved. In some cases, the driver who caused the accident is sufficiently clueless as to even be aware they caused an accident.

 

Nope. I'm saying if they can't see an 800 lb bike with a 200 lb rider, with a headlight blazing into their face, an orange vest isn't going to make them see you either.

But... just to take your "logic" a bit further - people fail to see a big, fluorescent yellow Firetruck, which has many flashing lights, and is also covered in massive amounts of reflective material (if the paint itself isn't reflective). Is it truly your opinion these people *would* notice a biker because he was wearing a 2 foot square bright material?

 

I love these threads. I was in a minor fender bender yesterday and the dude who turned left in front of me asked, where did you come from, I didn't see you. I was driving my Lincoln town car. If he can't see that big boat, he should not be driving.

 

oh snap!!!

just kidding but good point, last i checked motor cops are pretty well blacked out in dark leathers and dark blue uniforms.

 

Well here's my story. Several years ago I was hit by a guy that ran a red light. He went by two lanes of STOPPED traffic to run the light, hit my front wheel and knocked me over, not much damage to myself but considerable damage to the bike. While we were on the side of the road, in a parking lot acutally, filling out the police paperwork ( that guy was hauled off in cuffs for outstanding warrants). We heard a screeeeech, BAM.... a lady had run into the back of a city bus. You know the kind, flashing red and orange lights, the size of a small house, takes up the whole lane. So if you aren't paying enough attention that you run into the back of a bus, then I am guessing an orange vest isn't going to make much difference.

 

Granted, I'm one of those wearing a vest because of Army regulations, but I've seen enough accidents that I'll take the chance of looking like a human traffic cone if keeps a clueless cager from running into me. I will admit, though I've had a close call or two from crazy cagers, even with my vest.

 

Hot pink is the new black

 

to answer, see post #68

imo, the helmet color choice is the most visible item you can wear that will increase your visibility.

...why do you folks look for the one way to avoid collisions? There isn't just one