They Walked
#11
11-17-2008 | 10:33 PM
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That's right TX Fast Rider, it was a no brainer that once again the media & a DA tried to turn the situation into a farce.
Many times I've stashed my carry when LEO's friends kept theirs in a bar. I've even asked on more than one occasion for an LEO to hold mine while we were at the bar. I never want to risk my carry rights/permit. Everybody that I know are aware of the federal laws that changed after 9/11. Even retired LEO's have the rights to carry now most places w/o a hassle; an extention of "uncle sam", I guess.
Many times I've stashed my carry when LEO's friends kept theirs in a bar. I've even asked on more than one occasion for an LEO to hold mine while we were at the bar. I never want to risk my carry rights/permit. Everybody that I know are aware of the federal laws that changed after 9/11. Even retired LEO's have the rights to carry now most places w/o a hassle; an extention of "uncle sam", I guess.
#12
11-17-2008 | 11:28 PM
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He should never have been charged. The SD DA thought state law against carrying in a bar superseded federal law. A first year law student should know better. And who was the misinformed ATF spokesperson that said HB-218 was not applicable?
Justice was served in this case. According to testimony, Detective Ron Smith was assaulted by one or more HA and shot one in self defense. As it should be, IMO.
Nothing against the HA but when one adult assaults another adult he/she is risking their life. Fighting is for kids, killing to protect yourself or another innocent person is for adults. I personally assume everyone that carries has that attitude, whether they have a permit or not. And if you carry and do not have that attitude, you better get it before you get hurt.
Justice was served in this case. According to testimony, Detective Ron Smith was assaulted by one or more HA and shot one in self defense. As it should be, IMO.
Nothing against the HA but when one adult assaults another adult he/she is risking their life. Fighting is for kids, killing to protect yourself or another innocent person is for adults. I personally assume everyone that carries has that attitude, whether they have a permit or not. And if you carry and do not have that attitude, you better get it before you get hurt.
+1
Glad it worked out the right way.
#13
11-18-2008 | 12:44 AM
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He should never have been charged. The SD DA thought state law against carrying in a bar superseded federal law. A first year law student should know better. And who was the misinformed ATF spokesperson that said HB-218 was not applicable?
Justice was served in this case. According to testimony, Detective Ron Smith was assaulted by one or more HA and shot one in self defense. As it should be, IMO.
Nothing against the HA but when one adult assaults another adult he/she is risking their life. Fighting is for kids, killing to protect yourself or another innocent person is for adults. I personally assume everyone that carries has that attitude, whether they have a permit or not. And if you carry and do not have that attitude, you better get it before you get hurt.
Justice was served in this case. According to testimony, Detective Ron Smith was assaulted by one or more HA and shot one in self defense. As it should be, IMO.
Nothing against the HA but when one adult assaults another adult he/she is risking their life. Fighting is for kids, killing to protect yourself or another innocent person is for adults. I personally assume everyone that carries has that attitude, whether they have a permit or not. And if you carry and do not have that attitude, you better get it before you get hurt.
#14
11-18-2008 | 12:52 AM
+1, it has always been and will always be this way, cops are like us bikers they tend to cover one anothers backs, I would not be surprised if the shooter was never even giving a breathalizer to determine the amout of stupid that he was.
#17
11-18-2008 | 07:06 AM
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Here's the article from today's Rapid City paper.
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/arti...a194895385.txt
One of the IP members (the one from Colorado) is still being charged, as he was a firefighter, and not a policeman.
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/arti...a194895385.txt
One of the IP members (the one from Colorado) is still being charged, as he was a firefighter, and not a policeman.
#18
11-18-2008 | 08:27 AM
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i dont get it, how can 1 guy shoot an other guy, and not get done for it cop or not? was the 1% armed as well? but slower on the draw! because im a brit & we dont carry guns in public, i cant understand anyone goin out for a ride & a few beers with a loaded gun? plain fcukin dumb!!!! this i carry & i aint affraid to use it attitude is just ******* tryin to be big in my eyes!!! did they get bullied at school or did there first bird chuck em for a man? dont get it. if the 1% had shoot the cop would he have walked? if he shoot back & killed the cop then what?
#19
11-18-2008 | 08:38 AM
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You know what I don't understand, in the original story the IPs' were leaving because they knew trouble was coming. All headed for the door except for one of their brothers who had to use the can. They let him go without watching his back, knowing what was going on. Of course, as soon as one broke away from the group they attacked.
