Got a loud pipes ticket!
#11
07-26-2008 | 09:49 AM
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RE: Got a loud pipes ticket!
ORIGINAL: JBaker421
I'm no lawyer but I do know that a ticket has to have a certain amount of specificity. In this case, it should be about decibels. The cop for instance can't just say you were going too fast. He has to clock you. He has to state exactly how fast you were going. In the case of noise, he has to measure the decibels. He has no way of knowing what kind of baffles you have unless you erred and told him.
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If you get stopped don't tell the cop anything about your pipes. Make him figure it out and wait to see if he measures the decibels.
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Suppose the muffler on my car goes bad and I buy a new one but its a stock replacement from Sears or Midas? Suppose its no louder than stock and is a replacement? Just because I didn't buy it from GM doesn't make it louder or illegal.
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Unfortunately I believe the only way out of this is to get a lawyer. Judges will walk all over you. It's up to you but if they didn't actually measure the sound I'd be pissed enough to pay a lawyer a lot more money than the ticket would cost.
I'm no lawyer but I do know that a ticket has to have a certain amount of specificity. In this case, it should be about decibels. The cop for instance can't just say you were going too fast. He has to clock you. He has to state exactly how fast you were going. In the case of noise, he has to measure the decibels. He has no way of knowing what kind of baffles you have unless you erred and told him.
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If you get stopped don't tell the cop anything about your pipes. Make him figure it out and wait to see if he measures the decibels.
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Suppose the muffler on my car goes bad and I buy a new one but its a stock replacement from Sears or Midas? Suppose its no louder than stock and is a replacement? Just because I didn't buy it from GM doesn't make it louder or illegal.
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Unfortunately I believe the only way out of this is to get a lawyer. Judges will walk all over you. It's up to you but if they didn't actually measure the sound I'd be pissed enough to pay a lawyer a lot more money than the ticket would cost.
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You're right. You're no lawyer, or cop for that matter. Every one of your points is false.
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sect 316.272 , sub section 111
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sect 316.272 , sub section 111
That's pretty darn specific.
#12
07-26-2008 | 09:51 AM
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RE: Got a loud pipes ticket!
ORIGINAL: DannyZ71
You're right. You're no lawyer, or cop for that matter. Every one of your points is false.
You're right. You're no lawyer, or cop for that matter. Every one of your points is false.
#13
07-26-2008 | 09:53 AM
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From: Broken Arrow, Oklahoma
RE: Got a loud pipes ticket!
ORIGINAL: JBaker421
That's short and sweet and a cheap shot without specifics. Exactly what and why is that false? My point that a cop can't cite you for speeding with just his opinion without clocking you is false? What else is false?
ORIGINAL: DannyZ71
You're right. You're no lawyer, or cop for that matter. Every one of your points is false.
You're right. You're no lawyer, or cop for that matter. Every one of your points is false.
Okay, I'll try, if the site will cooperate.
#14
07-26-2008 | 09:57 AM
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RE: Got a loud pipes ticket!
ORIGINAL: DannyZ71
sect 316.272 , sub section 111
That's pretty darn specific.
sect 316.272 , sub section 111
That's pretty darn specific.
I have a case on appeal to the Oregon Appellate Court right now and I expect to win. Oral arguments are in September. Written arguments have been in for months now.
#15
07-26-2008 | 10:01 AM
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From: Oregon
RE: Got a loud pipes ticket!
What part of my statement saying that I can legally buy a replacement muffler for my car from Sears or Midas is wrong?
What part of my argument that it's about decibels and not muffler brand is wrong, except for some local dumb ordinance to the contrary?
What part of my argument that it's about decibels and not muffler brand is wrong, except for some local dumb ordinance to the contrary?
#17
07-26-2008 | 10:04 AM
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RE: Got a loud pipes ticket!
ORIGINAL: JBaker421
Many ordinances are tossed due to lack of specificity. Just because they passed a law doesn't mean it will hold water.
I have a case on appeal to the Oregon Appellate Court right now and I expect to win. Oral arguments are in September. Written arguments have been in for months now.
ORIGINAL: DannyZ71
sect 316.272 , sub section 111
That's pretty darn specific.
sect 316.272 , sub section 111
That's pretty darn specific.
I have a case on appeal to the Oregon Appellate Court right now and I expect to win. Oral arguments are in September. Written arguments have been in for months now.
That's fine, but until they are, they are enforced as written.
#19
07-26-2008 | 10:07 AM
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RE: Got a loud pipes ticket!
ORIGINAL: DannyZ71
That's fine, but until they are, they are enforced as written.
That's fine, but until they are, they are enforced as written.
#20
07-26-2008 | 10:08 AM
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RE: Got a loud pipes ticket!
ORIGINAL: JBaker421
What part of my statement saying that I can legally buy a replacement muffler for my car from Sears or Midas is wrong?
What part of my statement saying that I can legally buy a replacement muffler for my car from Sears or Midas is wrong?
2nd Attempt
Quiet mufflers are almost always going to be DOT approved. If they're loud, they can draw attention to themselves.