Harley reliability vs Honda rant...
#51
RE: Harley reliability vs Honda rant...
Agree with orginal posting. I rode Yami's for 30+ years - no problems. Bought this 05 Ultra new and had it in the shop 12 times in two years (regulator, fuel gauge, valve stem seals, and complete main wiring harness were the big problems).
But, tell you what, the resale value on the jap bikes sucks. Lost my shirt trying to sell my Roadstar (bought for like $12.5k and sold less than two years later for like $6.5k). Also, much more after-market stuff for Harley's.
Agree that the Moco can do much better in the "reliability" area. My guess is that profit has something to do with it.
But, tell you what, the resale value on the jap bikes sucks. Lost my shirt trying to sell my Roadstar (bought for like $12.5k and sold less than two years later for like $6.5k). Also, much more after-market stuff for Harley's.
Agree that the Moco can do much better in the "reliability" area. My guess is that profit has something to do with it.
#52
RE: Harley reliability vs Honda rant...
Right after buying a used bike he had problems? Who knows what the previous owner did to the bike? I've owned 3 Honda's and 3 Harley's and had no problems with any of the bikes. But I take care of my bikes.
#54
RE: Harley reliability vs Honda rant...
Sorry about your brothers bike. But:
He bought it used. You have NO idea how it was treated or maintained by the previous owner. As for the wonderfull “bulletproof” Hondas:
My VTX 1800:
2 water pumps shot by 40k. The first at 9k, the second at 33k. About $500 a pop for parts and labor. (first one was under warranty)
Rear drive flange bearings came out in PIECES at 38k tire change. About $150 parts and labor.
Clutch shipped under accelleration. Whats a new clutch cost?
Maintenence? How about $350 every 8000 miles for a valve ajustment? In addition to any other maintenace?
Yea, “BULLETPROOF” and cheaper to maintain than HD. My ***.
Only issue I have had on any of my 3 HDs was on the first one when the shifter linkage (stock POS) falied at about 25k. Dealer GAVE me a new takeoff to replace it.
He bought it used. You have NO idea how it was treated or maintained by the previous owner. As for the wonderfull “bulletproof” Hondas:
My VTX 1800:
2 water pumps shot by 40k. The first at 9k, the second at 33k. About $500 a pop for parts and labor. (first one was under warranty)
Rear drive flange bearings came out in PIECES at 38k tire change. About $150 parts and labor.
Clutch shipped under accelleration. Whats a new clutch cost?
Maintenence? How about $350 every 8000 miles for a valve ajustment? In addition to any other maintenace?
Yea, “BULLETPROOF” and cheaper to maintain than HD. My ***.
Only issue I have had on any of my 3 HDs was on the first one when the shifter linkage (stock POS) falied at about 25k. Dealer GAVE me a new takeoff to replace it.
#55
RE: Harley reliability vs Honda rant...
I had a Honda before my HD and it had elctrical problems out the wazoo... Every time I cleaned it the head light wouldn't work for half the day. You know what the dealer said "well it isn't a water proof system!" WHAT? that was the biggest load of crap I had ever heard!
I have 6600 on my 07 Dyna and not one single issue yet! That said, my father in-law baught a V-rod has not had one issue... then also baught a Softail deluxe and had to have the gas tank cleaned and flushed after having 3 fuel pumps replaced because there was paint residue in the tank (custom HD paint job)
It's all luck of the draw!
I can't tell you how many people I have know who have had major issues with VW and yet I can name just as many people who have not had one problem with VW and won't own anything else. I know of at least 10 people who have had major issues with Ford. I have had a major issue with Dodge (I will never buy another Dodge again because of that one) Don't even get me started on Porsche... talk about a money pit!
I have 6600 on my 07 Dyna and not one single issue yet! That said, my father in-law baught a V-rod has not had one issue... then also baught a Softail deluxe and had to have the gas tank cleaned and flushed after having 3 fuel pumps replaced because there was paint residue in the tank (custom HD paint job)
It's all luck of the draw!
I can't tell you how many people I have know who have had major issues with VW and yet I can name just as many people who have not had one problem with VW and won't own anything else. I know of at least 10 people who have had major issues with Ford. I have had a major issue with Dodge (I will never buy another Dodge again because of that one) Don't even get me started on Porsche... talk about a money pit!
#56
RE: Harley reliability vs Honda rant...
ORIGINAL: Lopoetve
ah! So the truth comeso ut! You're complaining about reliability on a USED bike that you have NO idea the maintenance history or use history of.
Sounds like your bro bought a bike that was beat on. Sell it and get something in good shape.
ORIGINAL: mnvikingsfan
Well he did buy the bike used with 13K on it, it was probably about a month into it I believe when the tranny went. Like I said, since it was an '03, and this happened in '06 HD does not have to warranty that unfortuntely for him...
ORIGINAL: streeteagle
+1- A blown tranny should be covered, no question. What happens when a tranny blows anyway? Have never heard of a Harley trans failing, unless it was total abuse.
ORIGINAL: Lopoetve
um.
his should be under warranty still. why arent' they replacing the tranny/other things under that?
this sounds fishy.
um.
his should be under warranty still. why arent' they replacing the tranny/other things under that?
this sounds fishy.
Sounds like your bro bought a bike that was beat on. Sell it and get something in good shape.
That said, like someone said "its the luck of the draw sometimes" and I tend to agree with that....I guess on the bright side at least mine is running great!!
#57
RE: Harley reliability vs Honda rant...
ORIGINAL: mnvikingsfan
What I said Bubba, was I have a hard time believing the HD is as reliable as the Honda from what I have witnessed. I never said "I want to sell my HD". I was simply pointing out the issues that my brother has experienced with his. I'm also curious to hear what other folks have to say as well about it.
Right now, I have no intentions of selling my HD just because my brother is having some isssues with his. For you guys telling me "due us a favor or do yourself a favor and get the Goldwing" you sound like little girls. I have as much desire to sell my HD as I do to lose more hairor gain more weight....no thanks. Just pointing out some facts that I have witnessed first hand...
ORIGINAL: 55Bubba
So if you hate the HD and the Honda is soooooo much beter, trade yours for an old wing. I don't care if it isn't as technologically good nor as reliable I am not riding rice. Course if you have no problems with yours, his just possibly might be a lemon. It happens, even in hondas I'm sure. Bottom line, it's your bike and your choice, ride what you want to but painting all Harleys with the crap brush is ..well just crap. Mine has 144k miles and I haven't spent nearly what he has other than maintenance since 1995.
Your money, your choice.... then next move is yours. I'm betting you'll be ridng one of those heartless plastic wonders before years end.
Bubba
So if you hate the HD and the Honda is soooooo much beter, trade yours for an old wing. I don't care if it isn't as technologically good nor as reliable I am not riding rice. Course if you have no problems with yours, his just possibly might be a lemon. It happens, even in hondas I'm sure. Bottom line, it's your bike and your choice, ride what you want to but painting all Harleys with the crap brush is ..well just crap. Mine has 144k miles and I haven't spent nearly what he has other than maintenance since 1995.
Your money, your choice.... then next move is yours. I'm betting you'll be ridng one of those heartless plastic wonders before years end.
Bubba
Right now, I have no intentions of selling my HD just because my brother is having some isssues with his. For you guys telling me "due us a favor or do yourself a favor and get the Goldwing" you sound like little girls. I have as much desire to sell my HD as I do to lose more hairor gain more weight....no thanks. Just pointing out some facts that I have witnessed first hand...
Your buddy bought a bike that was used and remember the word abused includes used.Who knows who did what to it. Have you not ever bought a used car and had problems with it? I'll bet lots of folks here have too. Maybe that's more the issue than HD qulaity such as it is
I'm going riding
Bubba
#58
RE: Harley reliability vs Honda rant...
ORIGINAL: mnvikingsfan
Okay I agree we don't know what the previous owner did to the bike. Maybe he did beat the $hit out of it or not maintain it. Its possible. That said, I doubt it. The dude was like 65 and most guys I know who ride at that age take immaculate care of their bikes. Also, the bike was in great condition-never laid down and at least 5K in upgrades. Again, not saying that doesn't mean the bike wasn't maintained or beat on but seems a lot less likely. From the posts I've seen, it seems MOST of the HD's here are performing and running great whichis awesome. I've also seen a few posts saying that they have had issues.
That said, like someone said "its the luck of the draw sometimes" and I tend to agree with that....I guess on the bright side at least mine is running great!!
ORIGINAL: Lopoetve
ah! So the truth comeso ut! You're complaining about reliability on a USED bike that you have NO idea the maintenance history or use history of.
Sounds like your bro bought a bike that was beat on. Sell it and get something in good shape.
ORIGINAL: mnvikingsfan
Well he did buy the bike used with 13K on it, it was probably about a month into it I believe when the tranny went. Like I said, since it was an '03, and this happened in '06 HD does not have to warranty that unfortuntely for him...
ORIGINAL: streeteagle
+1- A blown tranny should be covered, no question. What happens when a tranny blows anyway? Have never heard of a Harley trans failing, unless it was total abuse.
ORIGINAL: Lopoetve
um.
his should be under warranty still. why arent' they replacing the tranny/other things under that?
this sounds fishy.
um.
his should be under warranty still. why arent' they replacing the tranny/other things under that?
this sounds fishy.
Sounds like your bro bought a bike that was beat on. Sell it and get something in good shape.
That said, like someone said "its the luck of the draw sometimes" and I tend to agree with that....I guess on the bright side at least mine is running great!!
We took NOS to a rental Neon. I'll leave it at that.
#59
RE: Harley reliability vs Honda rant...
ORIGINAL: *NIGHT TRAIN*
Of COURSE, you are....[sm=violin.gif]
ORIGINAL: mnvikingsfan
And no, I'm not a freaking TROLL!!!!
And no, I'm not a freaking TROLL!!!!
Of COURSE, you are....[sm=violin.gif]
#60
RE: Harley reliability vs Honda rant...
ORIGINAL: Donnylee
"That said, no one can tell me with any sense of honesty, that HD's are anywhere close to the Jap bikes as far as reliability goes....I'm just not gonna buy it."
Blah blahhh blah....... Tell you brother he has POS! He deserves a Honda.What a pointless thread.... Come into a Harley forum andwonder if we are going to cry your brother ariver because he broke something in the tranny, and his spokes are loose, oh and he alsoneeds a service......My best advicego to the HondaForum and post the same thread you will get all thethe ball licking you desire. But not here...... Last time I looked Honda's use spokes, Tranny work on Honda's only requires you split the cases, and hopeHonda still make the parts..... They change engine designs about every six Months..... Yah, get yourself a pair of them Honda's.......
"That said, no one can tell me with any sense of honesty, that HD's are anywhere close to the Jap bikes as far as reliability goes....I'm just not gonna buy it."
Blah blahhh blah....... Tell you brother he has POS! He deserves a Honda.What a pointless thread.... Come into a Harley forum andwonder if we are going to cry your brother ariver because he broke something in the tranny, and his spokes are loose, oh and he alsoneeds a service......My best advicego to the HondaForum and post the same thread you will get all thethe ball licking you desire. But not here...... Last time I looked Honda's use spokes, Tranny work on Honda's only requires you split the cases, and hopeHonda still make the parts..... They change engine designs about every six Months..... Yah, get yourself a pair of them Honda's.......