The moderators of this site support the notion that one percenters are the social equivalent of Christians, Hispanics or Blacks?

Unbelievable. You're doing your readers a terrible disservice.

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Lead

 

WTF? [:@]

 

DOUBLEYOUTEEEEF?

 

Might wanna 'splain yer post, Lead. Some uv us ain't quite gots the grey matter to finger it out on our own.

Try sumpin' called a reference, so's us po' moderators will know what youse iz talkin' about.

 

I just read the locked thread entitled "1%ers".

That'd be it.

 

Skip,

I'm guessing he is referring to the 1%er thread that was locked by John Tn. Someone made the claim that calling 1%er's lowlifes was equilavant to bashing Christians, Blacks, or other minorities and that the thread should be locked.

Regards,

Bill

 

I'm of a mind to lock this baby down just to prevent where I'm afraid it might be goin'. But I went and read through the last part of the locked 1% thread. So I'll let this ride a bit, but with some input:

I didn't see where someone said 1%ers were the social equivalent of anyone! I saw where someone I greatly respect wrote something to the effect that if a thread were started about some particular group and others came in and bashed them, the thread would be history, and probably the bashers, too. Next I saw where a moderator decided the whole thread had pretty much run its course, and things might start degenerating, so he locked it. Looked like a good call to me.

Now, I can see these points as being valid. What I don't see as valid is someone slamming an entire group because of the actions of a few. I don't even see as valid someone slamming an entire group because of the actions of even a goodly portion of the group.

Look at individuals. Judge, classify, or whatever you want to call it, them on the basis of their own actions. Lead, I see you're a retired street cop. I would suppose that might tend to color your perception, just as my background colors my perception.

While I will grant that a significant portion of true 1%ers tend to be involved in things that might be less than straight-arrow, I choose not to paint all of 'em with that brush. Otherwise I'd have to paint the police officers I know personally with the same measure. That'd be like this: A drug dealer, a dealer in stolen cars, a perpetrator of numerous illegal searches, a wife-beater, a mean drunk, a liar, a scumbag thief, and a bully hiding behind his badge.

My experience is when meeting a stranger, I've had no real problems with 1%ers, but have had significant problems with police officers. So does that mean cops are evil and bad? Nope, just that some are.

Heck, there's even a few cops on this board I'd ride with.

 

you left out gays rednecks veterans priests nuns republicans democrats people that don't ride harleys firemen marines airmen sailors the army and anyone else I forgot oh yeah short fat people there are good and bad in every walk of life ,
get real !!!

 

Skip,

I more or less agree with you about not lumping people together and assuming all are the same. When it comes to 1%er's however, I don't know that it is exactly the case. An example:

When I was a cop, I wasn't required to be bad, just because some other cop was. All blacks are not required to act like each other. If you are a club member, you are required to back the play of another member be he right or wrong, legal or criminal. This was pointed out in one of Sonny Barger's books where there was to be an HA show of force in Sturgis to intimadate another club. The run to Sturgis that year was mandatory, and according to Barger you better have a darn good excuse for not being there. As it ended up, there was no problem, but had there been, each member would have been required to hold up his end, even if it required the injuring or killing of someone.

This mentality lends itself to members of a group being being classified by the general behavior of the group rather than giving benefit of the doubt to the individual. My Daddy used to say that you are judged by the company you keep.

I have never had a real problem with club members, and have no axe to grind. I am not trying to be controversial or cause this to get locked, I'm just expressing a point of view.

Regards,

Bill

 

Bill, I pretty much agree with your description. I think the original thread had a lot of good info made available through it. With that in mind, someone with little or no experience with all-things-1% could read, educate themselves, and taking all the different input into consideration, make a very well-informed decision on where to put their feet.

Simply bashing an entire group with a one-sided presentation, and with what I felt was a misinterpretation of what was written, is as offensive to me as listening to the typical politician telling only those facts that seem to support his position, while deliberately ignoring any facts that might tend to go against his way.

And since many folks had their say in the original thread, and all sides of the issue were pretty well covered, I guess maybe it's time to shut this thread down, also. I just don't like cutting off debate; sorta goes against my grain, y'know?

Oh well, consider the subject closed for now.