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Old 04-22-2008, 01:50 PM
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In the old days you just leaned. You didn't push the bar.
You did, but you didn't do it consciously. It's the only way to lean it over at speed. Don't fight it . . you were a countersteerer even in the old days!
 
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Maybe that's a deer under the bike. Looks like a jacket or something.
I was wondering if those were sparks coming from the floorboards andif atthat angle maybe the muffler bracket. If the muffler bracket, he's danged close to unloading the weight from the back tire and sliding out.
 
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Countersteering is a must, above a certain speed.

But you really can't do it at parking lot speed. You do the opposite, really. (Keep the bike upright, weight on outside peg, turn bars into turn....) Countersteering seems to take over above 15-20 mph.
 
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I started out instead of pushing to turn I found that I was pulling. I had to make myself relearn a few things. much better now. response is alot quiker countersteering.
 
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In the old days you just leaned. You didn't push the bar.
You did, but you didn't do it consciously. It's the only way to lean it over at speed. Don't fight it . . you were a countersteerer even in the old days!
I still know middle-aged riders who don't counter steer. They slow way down for corners and believe the bike won't corner any better. They often get into a corner too hot and have to brake hard during the corner to get slowed enough to turn. Sometimes they just go off the road and you read about them in the paper.

Just my $02.
 
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CURIOUS. How many of you use counter-steering predominantly?
Only, and I repeat ONLY, in right and left hand turns.
 
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Old 04-22-2008, 02:01 PM
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Ohhh noooo. Tell me it ain't true! (I think you are right). So, nothing's changed. I just thought that the newer riders (except for experiences) were better trained.

But, you can just lean or change you weight and a bike will turn. The whole key is getting the bike onto the side of the tire. The smaller diameter versus the larger diameter of the tire is what turns the bike. Like rolling a paper cup. Bigger on one end than the other.

The reason why I ask is I see a lot of guys wiggle themselves or throw their shoulder to change the attitude of the scooter. I used to do it and it is cool if there is no hurry. But, counter steering is sooo much easier and exacting.
 
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Everbody coutersteers whether they know it or not. Physics dictates that. Countersteering does not have to be a push on the bars in the direction you are turning. It can also be a pull on the opposite side that people don't put direct thought into but comes naturally with the lean.
 
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Everbody coutersteers whether they know it or not. Physics dictates that. Countersteering does not have to be a push on the bars in the direction you are turning. It can also be a pull on the opposite side that people don't put direct thought into but comes naturally with the lean.
I have to disagree. YOu can turn a bike without countersteering at all. I have done track days on sport bikes where I was taught how to turn and it can definately be done but you SHOULDN"T do it. Hell, you can steer a bike without your hands being on the bars but you definately SHOULDN"T try that.
 
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I really do not know what planet you friend comes from, but here on the earth a bike at speed will NOT turn the direction you want without counter steering, so I would highly suggest you ride a good distance from your friend, a friend that I assume will not be riding on this planet much longer.
 


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