Excessive Heat
#23
03-31-2008 | 06:26 PM
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From: DUNDALK,MARYLAND
RE: Excessive Heat
It's in your book. Heat above 140 the fan come on they say cool by 20 degrees. The police bike has had them for many years. I just put one on my 04 RG. And comes on in the winter time sitting at lights. It makes it own air flow with stop traffic.
#24
04-03-2008 | 08:02 AM
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RE: Excessive Heat
ORIGINAL: stro1965
Keep in mind that EITMS only works at idle. Once you blip the throttle a bit that rear cylinder kicks back in. It's really not doing much at all except at idle. You might want to look at richening up your AFR's with a PCIII or something.
Keep in mind that EITMS only works at idle. Once you blip the throttle a bit that rear cylinder kicks back in. It's really not doing much at all except at idle. You might want to look at richening up your AFR's with a PCIII or something.
#25
04-03-2008 | 09:07 AM
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RE: Excessive Heat
ORIGINAL: SA315B
I guess I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree, what are AFR's and what is a PCIII?
ORIGINAL: stro1965
Keep in mind that EITMS only works at idle. Once you blip the throttle a bit that rear cylinder kicks back in. It's really not doing much at all except at idle. You might want to look at richening up your AFR's with a PCIII or something.
Keep in mind that EITMS only works at idle. Once you blip the throttle a bit that rear cylinder kicks back in. It's really not doing much at all except at idle. You might want to look at richening up your AFR's with a PCIII or something.
PC III = Power Commander III http://www.powercommander.com/powerc...formation.aspx
With EFI, upgrading will change the AFR to a "richer" condition, which in turn will lower the op temp. Lean conditions run "hot" and they run them lean to pass EPA Regs. Hope that helps decipher some of the murkiness for you. If you are an "ol' skool" wrench, it would be the same as changing the jets in a carb.
The "EITMS" = Engine Idle Temp Management System, is what some call "parade mode" drops the rear cylinder if the motor gets too hot. But as Stro said, it only works at idle.
NOW, don't ask me to work on them, I am a carb guy. TOO old to invest in ALL the gear needed to accomplish the tasks on these "new" Harleys, BUTI have friends in "low" places
, and they have the gear. 
#26
04-03-2008 | 10:17 AM
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From: Sandy, Oregon
RE: Excessive Heat
A search of this site will probably result 1 Million hits on this subject. It amazes me it still pops up. That said my 08 never seemed hot to me from day 1..... Of course I live in a moderate climate in Oregon. Now that its tuned, cammed and piped.... Its not any different to me...Bottom of the day heat has never been a factor with my 08.
#27
04-03-2008 | 11:19 AM
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RE: Excessive Heat
You are right with that impression, all it takes is a good tune an they are fine.
ORIGINAL: jethro001
I was under the impression that the reason the 07's ran hot was they had to be set that way to pass emmissions and that once they got out of the factory they could be adjusted to run a bit cooler.
I was under the impression that the reason the 07's ran hot was they had to be set that way to pass emmissions and that once they got out of the factory they could be adjusted to run a bit cooler.
#28
04-03-2008 | 09:34 PM
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RE: Excessive Heat
ORIGINAL: Da Gumpmeister
AFR = Air/Fuel Ratio
PC III = Power Commander III http://www.powercommander.com/powerc...formation.aspx
With EFI, upgrading will change the AFR to a "richer" condition, which in turn will lower the op temp. Lean conditions run "hot" and they run them lean to pass EPA Regs. Hope that helps decipher some of the murkiness for you. If you are an "ol' skool" wrench, it would be the same as changing the jets in a carb.
The "EITMS" = Engine Idle Temp Management System, is what some call "parade mode" drops the rear cylinder if the motor gets too hot. But as Stro said, it only works at idle.
NOW, don't ask me to work on them, I am a carb guy. TOO old to invest in ALL the gear needed to accomplish the tasks on these "new" Harleys, BUTI have friends in "low" places, and they have the gear.
ORIGINAL: SA315B
I guess I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree, what are AFR's and what is a PCIII?
ORIGINAL: stro1965
Keep in mind that EITMS only works at idle. Once you blip the throttle a bit that rear cylinder kicks back in. It's really not doing much at all except at idle. You might want to look at richening up your AFR's with a PCIII or something.
Keep in mind that EITMS only works at idle. Once you blip the throttle a bit that rear cylinder kicks back in. It's really not doing much at all except at idle. You might want to look at richening up your AFR's with a PCIII or something.
PC III = Power Commander III http://www.powercommander.com/powerc...formation.aspx
With EFI, upgrading will change the AFR to a "richer" condition, which in turn will lower the op temp. Lean conditions run "hot" and they run them lean to pass EPA Regs. Hope that helps decipher some of the murkiness for you. If you are an "ol' skool" wrench, it would be the same as changing the jets in a carb.
The "EITMS" = Engine Idle Temp Management System, is what some call "parade mode" drops the rear cylinder if the motor gets too hot. But as Stro said, it only works at idle.
NOW, don't ask me to work on them, I am a carb guy. TOO old to invest in ALL the gear needed to accomplish the tasks on these "new" Harleys, BUTI have friends in "low" places
, and they have the gear.
The service manager at the local dealership told me that a Power Commander would eventually screw up the Harley brain and that the HD SE Race Tuner was the only way to go. He told me this the other day when I was in for the 1,000 mile service. I asked him about the procedure for getting the back cylinder to kick off line at idle (EITMS) and I even demonstrated rolling the throttle off and holding it there for a few seconds until the cruise indicator flashed green or orange. He knew nothing about it and promised to check it out.
Today he tells me that I was turning the Cruise Control on and off when I held the throttle closed so I asked him to read Service Bulletin M-1213A I’m still wondering if I have to have this activated or was it automatically set up during the dealer prep. I purchased this bike from a different dealer and of course, now that the bike has been delivered, the salesman won’t return a call.
And now that he (the service manager) has proven himself to be full of s--- about the EITMS I have to doubt everything else he told me so I’m beginning to think the SE Race Tuner might not be the be all end all he claimed it to be. I’m looking into the Power Commander and the Fuel Moto PC or is this the same unit? Is Fuel Moto a distributor for Power Commander. Is there another unit I should be looking at?
#30
04-03-2008 | 11:07 PM
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RE: Excessive Heat
Same with my 07 & I have a faster color than you do.
They are the same no matter what anyone tells you.
They are the same no matter what anyone tells you.
ORIGINAL: Donnylee
A search of this site will probably result 1 Million hits on this subject. It amazes me it still pops up. That said my 08 never seemed hot to me from day 1..... Of course I live in a moderate climate in Oregon. Now that its tuned, cammed and piped.... Its not any different to me... Bottom of the day heat has never been a factor with my 08.
A search of this site will probably result 1 Million hits on this subject. It amazes me it still pops up. That said my 08 never seemed hot to me from day 1..... Of course I live in a moderate climate in Oregon. Now that its tuned, cammed and piped.... Its not any different to me... Bottom of the day heat has never been a factor with my 08.