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01-25-2008, 01:11 PM
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RE: safety and protection
ORIGINAL: JamieCarr
Most of what I post doesn't make too much sense,......but who cares right? i just wanna get off work ,..so I can go drink a few,...make a ride,..maybe play some guitar,...and try to break my ole ladys back hammering her from the back.
Most of what I post doesn't make too much sense,......but who cares right? i just wanna get off work ,..so I can go drink a few,...make a ride,..maybe play some guitar,...and try to break my ole ladys back hammering her from the back.
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01-25-2008, 01:15 PM
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ORIGINAL: 99octane
[Takes a deep breath...]
Well. Please, before getting angry like a bull in front of a red cloak, read everything to the end.
1) The whole point in safety is NOT CRASHING.
2) Safety is a matter of probabilities.
The fact you can't be 100% safe doesn't mean you can't be safer.
Yes, the 1-in-a-thousand worst-case scenario may get you anyway, but to put it into a down to earth way: playing russian rulette with an 8 shot revolver increases dramatically your chances over a 5 shot one, and beats the hell out of doing it with a semiauto
So: saying that "you may die anyway so what's the point?" is nonsense.
On the same basis, since you may crash anyway, why not ride on the highway blindfolded?
It doesn't stand up to a second of logical analysis.
There are a lot of other good reasons to renounce protection, this just isn't one.
ON THE OTHER HAND, getting paranoid to the point you don't enjoy riding... well, it probably means you are not at ease enough to ride in the first place: riding requires calm, and being comfortable with what you are doing, otherwise you are at risk. Moreover, excessive protection can actually endanger you, impeding your movements or, for example, making you weak and unable to concentrate in very hot climate.
So:
Everybody has his own comfort zone. Everybody may have his very good reasons to wear or not to wear protective gear. And it's ok this way, as long as the reasons are... well, reasonable and thought out.
I can even just say "I love the wind in my hair, the sun on my skin so much that, if I must die crashing because I didn't have any protection, so be it, it's MY choice I do consciously and willingly" and it's ok .
Let's just leave the "you could die anyway" crap rest.
Everybody has his comfort zone, let's respect that.
Just don't try to ramrod your beliefs down other's throats with preaching or nonsensical statements.
[Takes a deep breath...]
Well. Please, before getting angry like a bull in front of a red cloak, read everything to the end.
1) The whole point in safety is NOT CRASHING.
2) Safety is a matter of probabilities.
The fact you can't be 100% safe doesn't mean you can't be safer.
Yes, the 1-in-a-thousand worst-case scenario may get you anyway, but to put it into a down to earth way: playing russian rulette with an 8 shot revolver increases dramatically your chances over a 5 shot one, and beats the hell out of doing it with a semiauto
So: saying that "you may die anyway so what's the point?" is nonsense.
On the same basis, since you may crash anyway, why not ride on the highway blindfolded?
It doesn't stand up to a second of logical analysis.
There are a lot of other good reasons to renounce protection, this just isn't one.
ON THE OTHER HAND, getting paranoid to the point you don't enjoy riding... well, it probably means you are not at ease enough to ride in the first place: riding requires calm, and being comfortable with what you are doing, otherwise you are at risk. Moreover, excessive protection can actually endanger you, impeding your movements or, for example, making you weak and unable to concentrate in very hot climate.
So:
Everybody has his own comfort zone. Everybody may have his very good reasons to wear or not to wear protective gear. And it's ok this way, as long as the reasons are... well, reasonable and thought out.
I can even just say "I love the wind in my hair, the sun on my skin so much that, if I must die crashing because I didn't have any protection, so be it, it's MY choice I do consciously and willingly" and it's ok .
Let's just leave the "you could die anyway" crap rest.
Everybody has his comfort zone, let's respect that.
Just don't try to ramrod your beliefs down other's throats with preaching or nonsensical statements.
Im not rammin anything down anyones throat <looking down> (at the moment anyway).
If you guys are so fricken paranoid about crashing and what's gonna happen after the fact... GET THE #@$% of that bike and get a car dood...
jezus tap dancin christ
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#33
01-25-2008, 01:15 PM
RE: safety and protection
ORIGINAL: 99_percenter
no it wasnt instant... I had to work for .... what's your excuse?
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ORIGINAL: 3power
lol . . sounds like you bought one because you thought it would make you an instant bad-a$$ . .lmao . . good luck with that [8D]
ORIGINAL: 99_percenter
seriously .. WTF .. made some of you buy harleys? It sure as hell wasnt watching sport bikes with guys wearing Power Ranger zoot suits....
seriously .. WTF .. made some of you buy harleys? It sure as hell wasnt watching sport bikes with guys wearing Power Ranger zoot suits....
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01-25-2008, 01:21 PM
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word on the streetis that myHarley became bad *** once I sat on it . . .
ORIGINAL: 99_percenter
no it wasnt instant... I had to work for .... what's your excuse?
99%r
ORIGINAL: 3power
lol . . sounds like you bought one because you thought it would make you an instant bad-a$$ . .lmao . . good luck with that [8D]
ORIGINAL: 99_percenter
seriously .. WTF .. made some of you buy harleys? It sure as hell wasnt watching sport bikes with guys wearing Power Ranger zoot suits....
seriously .. WTF .. made some of you buy harleys? It sure as hell wasnt watching sport bikes with guys wearing Power Ranger zoot suits....
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Most of what I post doesn't make too much sense,......but who cares right? i just wanna get off work ,..so I can go drink a few,...make a ride,..maybe play some guitar,...and try to break my ole ladys back hammering her from the back.
Most of what I post doesn't make too much sense,......but who cares right? i just wanna get off work ,..so I can go drink a few,...make a ride,..maybe play some guitar,...and try to break my ole ladys back hammering her from the back.
Way to go, man!!!
#36
01-25-2008, 01:33 PM
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I'm glad its Friday, I'm about worn out trying to make some sense out of most of today's threads. You guys make me long to turn the clock back to the '70s when no one even thought twice about what you wear, what you ride or how you lived. Simpler times yes, and never to be again, Camelot!
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01-25-2008, 01:34 PM
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<taking deep breath>
Im not rammin anything down anyones throat <looking down> (at the moment anyway).
If you guys are so fricken paranoid about crashing and what's gonna happen after the fact... GET THE #@$% of that bike and get a car dood...
jezus tap dancin christ
99%r
<taking deep breath>
Im not rammin anything down anyones throat <looking down> (at the moment anyway).
If you guys are so fricken paranoid about crashing and what's gonna happen after the fact... GET THE #@$% of that bike and get a car dood...
jezus tap dancin christ
99%r
All I'm saying, not to you specifically, but in general, is: don't try to sell me crap, I won't throw it back. That's all.
One doesn't wanna wear a helmet because he doesn't? Well, just say so:I respect that.
I can't respect nonsense, that's all.
As to my attitude to safety: I'm not paranoid. I'm not even "careful".
If I were careful I wouldn't have been riding with ice patches and 50 fat miles of experience as a motorcyclist under my belt, and I wouldn't be riding in Milano's rush hour traffic without a forcefield
I am for reasonable precautions. As I said elsewhere, I'm compounding risks of various kinds: can't afford to let the odds get too much aganist me. [8D]
What's reasonable to me may be paranoid to you and howling mad to somebody else.
I don't have anything against anybody who choses differently. Respect my choice, I'll respect yours.
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I'm glad its Friday, I'm about worn out trying to make some sense out of most of today's threads. You guys make me long to turn the clock back to the '70s when no one even thought twice about what you wear, what you ride or how you lived. Simpler times yes, and never to be again, Camelot!
I'm glad its Friday, I'm about worn out trying to make some sense out of most of today's threads. You guys make me long to turn the clock back to the '70s when no one even thought twice about what you wear, what you ride or how you lived. Simpler times yes, and never to be again, Camelot!
I could play football on the road behind the little house for vacation my parents bought in Piemonte over 30 years ago. It didn't even have tarmac, it was packed earth. We used to walk by with my parents and my uncle and aunt. Today it's a State Road, limit 110 kph, with an endless flow of cars and trucks, my parents sold the house years ago, my uncle and aunt are dead and, If I tried play football there today, I'd be dead too in less time than you need to say "IDIOT".
The world changes. You don't have necessarily to "comply", but you have to adapt somehow...
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01-25-2008, 01:45 PM
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I can't respect nonsense, that's all.
ORIGINAL: 99_percenter
<taking deep breath>
Im not rammin anything down anyones throat <looking down> (at the moment anyway).
If you guys are so fricken paranoid about crashing and what's gonna happen after the fact... GET THE #@$% of that bike and get a car dood...
jezus tap dancin christ
99%r
<taking deep breath>
Im not rammin anything down anyones throat <looking down> (at the moment anyway).
If you guys are so fricken paranoid about crashing and what's gonna happen after the fact... GET THE #@$% of that bike and get a car dood...
jezus tap dancin christ
99%r
I can't respect nonsense, that's all.
99%r
#40
01-25-2008, 01:47 PM
RE: safety and protection
ORIGINAL: DeJavu
I'm glad its Friday, I'm about worn out trying to make some sense out of most of today's threads. You guys make me long to turn the clock back to the '70s when no one even thought twice about what you wear, what you ride or how you lived. Simpler times yes, and never to be again, Camelot!
I'm glad its Friday, I'm about worn out trying to make some sense out of most of today's threads. You guys make me long to turn the clock back to the '70s when no one even thought twice about what you wear, what you ride or how you lived. Simpler times yes, and never to be again, Camelot!
It's just a matter of SO MANY RIDERS on the road now,.....you just have to cull what you do and don't want to be a part of.