WHEN ARE MOTORCYCLIST ?????
#101
RE: WHEN ARE MOTORCYCLIST ?????
Sitting here dealing with the lingering pain in my reconstructed ankle, I want to be seen when I get the bike back together. Saw a metric outfitted with the modulating headlight and will be installing one on my chopper. If they don't see that, they wouldn't see a bull elephant charging down on them. Every little bit helps!
#102
RE: WHEN ARE MOTORCYCLIST ?????
ORIGINAL: sniper77
Are you accustomed to putting words into people's mouth just to justify not addressing the subject?
ORIGINAL: sldavis
Do you really think you, or anyone else,are as good as driver when you are dialing your phone, or typing on your computer keyboard, as you are when you are doing nothing but watching the road.....really??? If you do, there is no reason to continue the conversation.
ORIGINAL: sniper77
As a person that has used a cell phone for work, in a large commercial vehicle, as well as the CB radio, various Nextel-type radios, computer keyboards for satellite communications all while driving in every type of traffic, on every type of road, in every kind of weather God can throw at us, for a cumulative exceeding three million accident-free miles over the last twenty-five years, let me just say you are the only true idiot on this thread and you will be worm dirt long before anyone stops people like myself from using cell phones while driving.
If you personally are too stupid to be able to walk and chew gum or drive and talk then chose one to do at a time and just be envious of the rest of us that find it not particularly difficult to drive, talk, smoke a cig, listen to the radio, and watch what all the idiots around us are doing and arrive at our destination without killing, maiming, or damaging anything or anyone.
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ORIGINAL: dbalogh
CELL PHONES while driving WILL be illigalized if it's the last thing i do any of one want to sympathize for them should go to jail for harboring and assiting KILLERS. THEY might as well be shooting up with a needle in their arm of holding a pistol to YOUR head. CELLPHONES may not kill but people talking on them and driving at the same time are IDIOTS
CELL PHONES while driving WILL be illigalized if it's the last thing i do any of one want to sympathize for them should go to jail for harboring and assiting KILLERS. THEY might as well be shooting up with a needle in their arm of holding a pistol to YOUR head. CELLPHONES may not kill but people talking on them and driving at the same time are IDIOTS
If you personally are too stupid to be able to walk and chew gum or drive and talk then chose one to do at a time and just be envious of the rest of us that find it not particularly difficult to drive, talk, smoke a cig, listen to the radio, and watch what all the idiots around us are doing and arrive at our destination without killing, maiming, or damaging anything or anyone.
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#103
RE: WHEN ARE MOTORCYCLIST ?????
ORIGINAL: sniper77
You've made the false allegation that cell phone use is equally as dangerous as D.U.I. Now after Kolni and I have asked for "the research" you claim to have read you flatly refuse to produce said document.
So what you are saying is you just made the $#(t up to justify your own perspective. I can live with that.[sm=lame.gif]
ORIGINAL: sldavis
It's not up to me to do anything. The info is out there, if you want to read it google it yourself. If you don't want to read it, then don't. No skin off my nose either way.
ORIGINAL: Kolni
You presented the info, so it is up to YOU to provide the link.
ORIGINAL: sldavis
Just google it and you can read till your hearts content
Just google it and you can read till your hearts content
So what you are saying is you just made the $#(t up to justify your own perspective. I can live with that.[sm=lame.gif]
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http://bicycleuniverse.info/cars/cellphones.html
This article provides findings from the New England Journal of Medicine.
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...12/137294.html
This one is from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
Both articles state that the chance of being involved in a collsion is 4 times greater while on the phone, the same as the legal limit of DUI. If you want more articles, look them up yourself.
#104
RE: WHEN ARE MOTORCYCLIST ?????
What bothers me is the idiots that drive that shouldn't be on the road. The guy that ran us over had a prior record as long as your arm and was driving still. So when does He get taken off the street ?
We were on a trip to Smyrna Tenn. We were riding around town looking for a Tom Thumb when this mexican just ran right out in front of us. He never stopped at all. We were in my Duromax diesel.
Now when we go on a trip, rather than look at the beauty and country, we count the people that didn't stop at stop signs and break the law. In most cases we don't make it fifty miles without counting up to at least 4 . Im totally astonished at some of what I've seen on the road lately. I can't believe people would even do such stupid shot. I saw a lady pull into oncoming traffic that was going 55 mph with kids in the back just to hurry and get across the street. Five cars slammed on breaks and she almost got plastered. I see it all the time now. We've got a lot of idiots on the road. So, They kill someone. What do you think there worry is ? Am I going to be sued ? What about ME ? MY life will suck. Wonder how long they worried about the people they hit ?
One things for sure. Something has to be done. It can start with us. But until we join in together, it wont happen and bikers will keep getting killed .
We were on a trip to Smyrna Tenn. We were riding around town looking for a Tom Thumb when this mexican just ran right out in front of us. He never stopped at all. We were in my Duromax diesel.
Now when we go on a trip, rather than look at the beauty and country, we count the people that didn't stop at stop signs and break the law. In most cases we don't make it fifty miles without counting up to at least 4 . Im totally astonished at some of what I've seen on the road lately. I can't believe people would even do such stupid shot. I saw a lady pull into oncoming traffic that was going 55 mph with kids in the back just to hurry and get across the street. Five cars slammed on breaks and she almost got plastered. I see it all the time now. We've got a lot of idiots on the road. So, They kill someone. What do you think there worry is ? Am I going to be sued ? What about ME ? MY life will suck. Wonder how long they worried about the people they hit ?
One things for sure. Something has to be done. It can start with us. But until we join in together, it wont happen and bikers will keep getting killed .
#105
RE: WHEN ARE MOTORCYCLIST ?????
ORIGINAL: route2null0
This was avoidable and the girl was negligent. Damn skip she should go to jail and NEVER be allowed to drive again. PERIOD. Alot of people have NO right to frickin drive and most states hand out a liscense like candy. I'd vote for a 3 strikes rule for minor crashes etc. If a life is taken or someone is mamed, throw the book at 'em.
This was avoidable and the girl was negligent. Damn skip she should go to jail and NEVER be allowed to drive again. PERIOD. Alot of people have NO right to frickin drive and most states hand out a liscense like candy. I'd vote for a 3 strikes rule for minor crashes etc. If a life is taken or someone is mamed, throw the book at 'em.
#106
RE: WHEN ARE MOTORCYCLIST ?????
Thirty years ago there was a lot less traffic. It's crazy now. And of course a lot more of us are riding motorcycles in horrible traffic without improved transportation venues!
I'm not scared to death every time I ride, but I'm aware of what a gauntlet it is to stay alive! Not too many days go by that I don't have someone pull in front of me. And I come home a lot and say "guess what tried to kill me TODAY?"
I work on a military base. With ZERO tolerance concerning traffic! If you go 3 miles over the speed limit, your azz is grazz. And if you have not taken a safety course and don't wear ALL motorcycle safety gear, your not getting on this base. I don't like wearing all the gear, but I feel safer here than off base! Just sayin!
I know people that have ridden bikes all their lives and never even dropped their bikes. And I know people that started riding 2 years ago and have died.
It's a crap shoot out there for sure...and ESPECIALLY if you are driving amongst teens(biggest threat on the road) and older people(at least they go slow!).
I am looking at every cross road I come to. I'm alert at every stop light, and always looking for a way out, etc. It's exhausting staying alive out there!!!
I'm not scared to death every time I ride, but I'm aware of what a gauntlet it is to stay alive! Not too many days go by that I don't have someone pull in front of me. And I come home a lot and say "guess what tried to kill me TODAY?"
I work on a military base. With ZERO tolerance concerning traffic! If you go 3 miles over the speed limit, your azz is grazz. And if you have not taken a safety course and don't wear ALL motorcycle safety gear, your not getting on this base. I don't like wearing all the gear, but I feel safer here than off base! Just sayin!
I know people that have ridden bikes all their lives and never even dropped their bikes. And I know people that started riding 2 years ago and have died.
It's a crap shoot out there for sure...and ESPECIALLY if you are driving amongst teens(biggest threat on the road) and older people(at least they go slow!).
I am looking at every cross road I come to. I'm alert at every stop light, and always looking for a way out, etc. It's exhausting staying alive out there!!!
#107
RE: WHEN ARE MOTORCYCLIST ?????
ORIGINAL: sniper77
As a person that has used a cell phone for work, in a large commercial vehicle, as well as the CB radio, various Nextel-type radios, computer keyboards for satellite communications all while driving in every type of traffic, on every type of road, in every kind of weather God can throw at us, for a cumulative exceeding three million accident-free miles over the last twenty-five years, let me just say you are the only true idiot on this thread and you will be worm dirt long before anyone stops people like myself from using cell phones while driving.
If you personally are too stupid to be able to walk and chew gum or drive and talk then chose one to do at a time and just be envious of the rest of us that find it not particularly difficult to drive, talk, smoke a cig, listen to the radio, and watch what all the idiots around us are doing and arrive at our destination without killing, maiming, or damaging anything or anyone.
As a person that has used a cell phone for work, in a large commercial vehicle, as well as the CB radio, various Nextel-type radios, computer keyboards for satellite communications all while driving in every type of traffic, on every type of road, in every kind of weather God can throw at us, for a cumulative exceeding three million accident-free miles over the last twenty-five years, let me just say you are the only true idiot on this thread and you will be worm dirt long before anyone stops people like myself from using cell phones while driving.
If you personally are too stupid to be able to walk and chew gum or drive and talk then chose one to do at a time and just be envious of the rest of us that find it not particularly difficult to drive, talk, smoke a cig, listen to the radio, and watch what all the idiots around us are doing and arrive at our destination without killing, maiming, or damaging anything or anyone.
Your attention span is a finite resource. What you use for tasks other than driving is subtracted from the main task at hand: the one that can cost lives.
I cocnede that there's a lot of people out there that can't talk and walk at the same time 'cause their brain can't provide sufficient electric power for driving both legs and mouth. But there are also lots of people who doesn't know their limits and think that just because they've always been lucky, they are better. Like you.
Confidence is knowledge of your skill.
Arrogance is ignorance of your limits.
A post like this just shows your arrogance better than any reply could possibily do.
#108
RE: WHEN ARE MOTORCYCLIST ?????
ORIGINAL: sldavis
http://bicycleuniverse.info/cars/cellphones.html
This article provides findings from the New England Journal of Medicine.
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...12/137294.html
This one is from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
Both articles state that the chance of being involved in a collsion is 4 times greater while on the phone, the same as the legal limit of DUI. If you want more articles, look them up yourself.
http://bicycleuniverse.info/cars/cellphones.html
This article provides findings from the New England Journal of Medicine.
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...12/137294.html
This one is from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
Both articles state that the chance of being involved in a collsion is 4 times greater while on the phone, the same as the legal limit of DUI. If you want more articles, look them up yourself.
Now I'm sorry to hear, Harleyforeverflhx, that your friend haslost his leg.I feel sorryeverytime I hear about a motorcyclist getting either hurt or killed.I have found the replies to this thread quite interesting. Many people seem to wantlaws to be made that provide stifferpenalties for car versus motorcycleaccidents, and the reason that is being used is "for our own safety". However if you look at someof the recent threads such asanything about helmet laws and the bills being proposed totake motorcycles away from people going a certain mph over the speed limit and it's taking away or rights and freedoms.So ifthey're goingto make stiffer laws against motorist to protect us shouldn't we also accept stiffer laws against motorcyclists to protect us as well?
#109
RE: WHEN ARE MOTORCYCLIST ?????
ORIGINAL: joel85
Wow this thread got way crazy. The girl had an accident, your buddy got seriously hurt. She got charged with the accident. Do ya think the girl said "Hey i'm going to speed up, hit that motorcycle and try to take his leg off!!". I don't think so. We all ride motorcycles, we all know accidents happen all the time and it could be us. We know we are unprotected on the bike. The way you guys think on here though, your buddy should be at fault for driving a bike and not a car to fully protect his leg. The charge was fine, you people get way too into "it's all motorcyclists against the world" mentality. Sorry your buddy got hurt but just because your pissed doesn't mean you need to throw a girl to a death sentence for an ACCIDENT. When a girl screams out th window that she is trying to hit you, then hits you and takes off your leg, you MIGHT have a case, IF you have lots of witnesses that hear her say it.
Wow this thread got way crazy. The girl had an accident, your buddy got seriously hurt. She got charged with the accident. Do ya think the girl said "Hey i'm going to speed up, hit that motorcycle and try to take his leg off!!". I don't think so. We all ride motorcycles, we all know accidents happen all the time and it could be us. We know we are unprotected on the bike. The way you guys think on here though, your buddy should be at fault for driving a bike and not a car to fully protect his leg. The charge was fine, you people get way too into "it's all motorcyclists against the world" mentality. Sorry your buddy got hurt but just because your pissed doesn't mean you need to throw a girl to a death sentence for an ACCIDENT. When a girl screams out th window that she is trying to hit you, then hits you and takes off your leg, you MIGHT have a case, IF you have lots of witnesses that hear her say it.
#110
RE: WHEN ARE MOTORCYCLIST ?????
ORIGINAL: 99octane
You see, I've occasionally used cell phones while driving. And have been trice as cautious when I used them. But I don't pretend I was right just because it all went well.
Your attention span is a finite resource. What you use for tasks other than driving is subtracted from the main task at hand: the one that can cost lives.
I cocnede that there's a lot of people out there that can't talk and walk at the same time 'cause their brain can't provide sufficient electric power for driving both legs and mouth. But there are also lots of people who doesn't know their limits and think that just because they've always been lucky, they are better. Like you.
Confidence is knowledge of your skill.
Arrogance is ignorance of your limits.
A post like this just shows your arrogance better than any reply could possibily do.
You see, I've occasionally used cell phones while driving. And have been trice as cautious when I used them. But I don't pretend I was right just because it all went well.
Your attention span is a finite resource. What you use for tasks other than driving is subtracted from the main task at hand: the one that can cost lives.
I cocnede that there's a lot of people out there that can't talk and walk at the same time 'cause their brain can't provide sufficient electric power for driving both legs and mouth. But there are also lots of people who doesn't know their limits and think that just because they've always been lucky, they are better. Like you.
Confidence is knowledge of your skill.
Arrogance is ignorance of your limits.
A post like this just shows your arrogance better than any reply could possibily do.
I have a supreme knowledge of my ability behind the wheel and what my equipment will do in every situation. The problem seems to arise with people that lack the skills neccessary trying to place themselves in another person's position. Recognizing they lack the ability of others, they try to impugn a person with greater ability and write it off as arrogance when the reailty is they (that would be you) simply lack the skill, training, and God-gifted talent that the other person (i.e., me) has.
Both you and sldavis have made assumptions that lack the substance to rail against me. Yes, I multitask while driving. Yes, my attention level to driving is lower if I have to take my eyes off the road but, I don't take my eyes off the road without a proper scan of the situation at hand including where I will be when my eyes are back on the road. It isn't a trick to look and note the speed of traffic flowing ahead, beside, and behind you before doing anything that will require your attention. A side street, not going to risk it. Heavy traffic, not going to risk it. Open highway with ten or more seconds of cushion between me and the nearest vehicle, sure I'll take my eyes off the road for three to five seconds to read a weather update or respond to a querry about my ETA or whatever else I need to do.
You don't make it out here with dumb luck. It takes skill, training, purpose, and a constant lookout for the idiots that infest our society that ignore the rules of the road and put all of us in danger. That is why my first comments in this thread are demanding that mandatory training and testing be implemented at the state level for all drivers on a continuing basis. No one has the "right" to drive, it is the State that gives that right and it is the State that should be held accountable when those they grant permission to operate a vehicle prove they are unworthy of that privilege.