Insurance Companies have more money than you do.
The politicians listen to money.
Until you collectively shine a light in their face.

Then they pretend they were behind you the whole time.

 

So HD Attitude by your reasoning the government should have banned tobacco years ago. Cancer heart disease, etc cost us lots more than a few brain dead bikers. But that won't happen because of the revenue. The law isn't designed to protect us, do you thinkthe politicians really care one way or another?

Jimmy

 

So by your reasoning should the government let kids buy tobacco? It's all about choice right? Let the kids smoke it's a sign of freedom.
Use your noodle man...some laws are good laws. Tobacco laws anyway.... but aren't we talking about helmets?

You see how easy it is to stretch what someone is saying into something else? Redhearings and slippery-slopes..if you do this- it equals that. If you allow that - it means this...surprize we're now communist! whatever...
The whole argument that if helmet laws are passed we all loose some big timefreedom and it will now mean they will pass law (x) and then law (y) and so on and so forth until we have no freedom left. It's all BS.

Focus...do we want a helmet law to save bikers lives? One question, one answer. I vote yes...

lp

 

That's a really GOOD question. Why “helmet laws”, when there a LOT more people being MURDERED by drunk drivers every day of the week? Take the total number of MC riders killed. Subtract the ones that ARE wearing a helmet when they died. You didn't forget that wearing a helmet doesn't guarantee your survival, did you?
Now, compare that number to the number of people who were killed my drunk drivers. Pretty BIG difference…shouldn’t we pass harsher DUI laws first? Oh, I guess you'd be asking folks back in the 1930's why they supported the repeal of prohibition. Why don't we pass a modern prohibition? Sure, our government has an obligation to pass laws that protect our citizens from as much harm as possible. But, it must respect our rights as individuals. Our government must not go beyond the limits established by out constitution. When passing a law punishes us for crimes we did not/could not commit against another, it does nothing but infringe upon our individual rights.

 

Good points, butif given a choice the insurance companies would rather have us and our passengers dead than long term disabled.

 

You and I and almost everyone on this planet knows that everything is controlled by MONEY. Sure the biggest push for Seatbelt and helmet laws come from the insurance companies. That's a no brainier. But how could we of stopped them from making the law in the first place ? Somewhere in this equation, someone has to stop and use common sense about this argument . Us not wearing helmets cost insurance companies billions each year. Not wearing seat belts cost billions. Do we have the right to inflict that on the insurance companies ? Sure they need to make money , JUST LIKE US. Our arguments sounds stupid. You wonder why people don't give a sh*t about bikers ? Look at the accident reports . Biker drunk. Biker on drugs. Biker speeding. Biker driving reckless. Bikers popping wheelies at 80 mph. Bikers going 150mph on the highways. Bikers killing each other. Biker gangs. And now, Bikers thinking it's cool to wear flip flops and no helmet. We look like a bunch of retards to the rest of the world. There's always three viewpoints to any situation. You've got to look at all three to be objective in this situation.

 

Some folks are easily swayed by fear propaganda. Lots here are afraid of some communist revolt or conspiracy.

 

Well we all know why threads like this die. One individual seezes the opportunity to take to the pulpit in a misguidedattempt to convince all the free thinking people that they should fall in lock step withhis opinion. Until that is, everyone gets disgusted and leaves.

HD Attitude, you've expressed your opinions. Not much point in continuing to beat a dead horse.

Thank God for freedom and our right of Choice, at least what's left of it.

 

This is for Florida Alcohol related fatalities -------1,239
Alcohol related injuries--------17,785
Alcohol related crashes--------23,864

Drug related crashes------------1,176


Motorcyclist killed--------------441
Motorcyclist injured-----------7,282
Motorcycle crashes------------8,147

Total

Traffic crashes------------286,605
Death rate (per 100million VMT )-- 1.76


FLORIDA'S MOTORCYCLE HELMET LAW REPEAL
On July 1, 2000, Florida repealed the legal requirement that all
motorcyclists wear protective helmets. State law now requires
helmet use only by riders under the age of 21, and by older riders who
do not have a minimum of $10,000 medical insurance coverage.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)
contracted with Preusser Research Group to evaluate the effects of
the motorcycle helmet law repeal in Florida.
Helmet Use–Observational Surveys
Virtually all observed riders were wearing helmets in a 1998
Florida helmet use observation survey. Only 65 percent of the
observed sample, however, wore compliant helmets (helmets that
meet the requirements for Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No.
218) while 35 percent were wearing noncompliant helmets (headgear
that does not meet Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 218).
These weighted figures compare to 84 percent approved helmets and
15 percent noncompliant helmets observed in a 1993 survey
suggesting that noncompliant helmet use was increasing over time.
A2002 post-law change survey found 47 percent compliant helmet
use, 6 percent noncompliant helmet use and 47 percent no helmet use.
These results indicate that use of compliant helmets has declined
significantly following the law change while wearing noncompliant
helmets has largely been abandoned.
Helmet Use–Crash Reports
Among the 515 motorcyclists killed in traffic crashes in the 3 years
before the helmet law change (1997-1999), 9 percent were recorded
in the Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) as not wearing a
helmet. In the 3 years following the law change (2001-2003), 61
percent of the 933 fatally injured motorcyclists were reported as not
wearing a helmet. In 1997-1999, there were 35 motorcyclists under
the age of 21 killed in Florida. Of these, 26 percent were not
helmeted. In 2001-2003, 101 motorcyclists under age 21 were killed
(+ 188 percent) with 45 percent of them not wearing a helmet.
Motorcyclist Fatalities1
There has been a substantial increase in motorcyclists killed in
Florida beginning in the first 6 months of 2000 (the repeal of the allrider
helmet law went into effect on July 1, 2000). Fatalities in the
two years following the law change (2001-2002, N=575) were 71
percent greater than the two years before the law change. This is
almost double the increase in fatalities for the nation as a whole.
Fatalities in Florida per 10,000 registered motorcycles increased 21
percent compared to 13 percent nationally for the 2 years before and
after the law change–75 percent higher than the national rate.
There was an average of 181 motorcyclists killed annually in the
30 months before the law change, and an average of 280 in the 30
months after the law change. Registrations increased an average 33.7
perce

 

Your right. My argument is, we need PIP on motorcycles. We're not going to get it the way were going. We also need new laws protecting motorcyclist. Can't get it the way were going. Like it or not, we live in a new world. Freedom is becoming nothing more than a word, but America is still the best. this is what happens when you have a copmmunity of people together. things change. It's an inevitability.