Helmet Protest Ride
#11
01-01-2008, 09:16 PM
Ultimate HDF Member
RE: Helmet Protest Ride
ORIGINAL: chiabate
During a traffic stop, you can't dismount your bike nor can you step out of your vehicle unless directed to do so. So technically, you are on your bike without a helmet just as disconnecting a seatbelt to reach in your pocket to produce a driver's license/insurance card makes you "operating a vehicle without wearing a seatbelt. Most LEO's aren't dicks, but some locales need to bolster revenues and will issue the citation/bill. I got just that in Stone Park IL years ago, a town famous for packed traffic courtrooms. The main drag is 6 lanes with a wide center and the speed limit is only 30!
During a traffic stop, you can't dismount your bike nor can you step out of your vehicle unless directed to do so. So technically, you are on your bike without a helmet just as disconnecting a seatbelt to reach in your pocket to produce a driver's license/insurance card makes you "operating a vehicle without wearing a seatbelt. Most LEO's aren't dicks, but some locales need to bolster revenues and will issue the citation/bill. I got just that in Stone Park IL years ago, a town famous for packed traffic courtrooms. The main drag is 6 lanes with a wide center and the speed limit is only 30!
#12
01-01-2008, 09:31 PM
RE: Helmet Protest Ride
Riding to a courthouse on a holiday to make a protest demonstration makes no sense to me. I figure if you are gonna put on a show, you at least need an audience to see it.
#13
01-01-2008, 09:35 PM
RE: Helmet Protest Ride
ORIGINAL: chiabate
During a traffic stop, you can't dismount your bike nor can you step out of your vehicle unless directed to do so.
During a traffic stop, you can't dismount your bike nor can you step out of your vehicle unless directed to do so.
Is that illegal where you live?
#14
01-01-2008, 09:57 PM
RE: Helmet Protest Ride
Sure it is. You getting off your bike or getting out of your car is considered a physical threat. I'm all for laws to protect the LEO's but not to further empty my pockets if I run into one that just got a full ticket book and had his/her watch commander say "fill it" or else. I lived through the days of them getting an assembly of white boys off a corner or out of a park, always had that $35 "disorderly conduct" bail stuffed in my wallet. LEO's are just doing their job, but some are more influenced than others.
ORIGINAL: xxxflhrci
Is that illegal where you live?
ORIGINAL: chiabate
During a traffic stop, you can't dismount your bike nor can you step out of your vehicle unless directed to do so.
During a traffic stop, you can't dismount your bike nor can you step out of your vehicle unless directed to do so.
Is that illegal where you live?
#16
01-02-2008, 09:52 AM
RE: Helmet Protest Ride
ORIGINAL: xxxflhrci
ORIGINAL: chiabate
Sure it is. You getting off your bike or getting out of your car is considered a physical threat. I'm all for laws to protect the LEO's but not to further empty my pockets if I run into one that just got a full ticket book and had his/her watch commander say "fill it" or else. I lived through the days of them getting an assembly of white boys off a corner or out of a park, always had that $35 "disorderly conduct" bail stuffed in my wallet. LEO's are just doing their job, but some are more influenced than others.
Sure it is. You getting off your bike or getting out of your car is considered a physical threat. I'm all for laws to protect the LEO's but not to further empty my pockets if I run into one that just got a full ticket book and had his/her watch commander say "fill it" or else. I lived through the days of them getting an assembly of white boys off a corner or out of a park, always had that $35 "disorderly conduct" bail stuffed in my wallet. LEO's are just doing their job, but some are more influenced than others.
ORIGINAL: xxxflhrci
Is that illegal where you live?
ORIGINAL: chiabate
During a traffic stop, you can't dismount your bike nor can you step out of your vehicle unless directed to do so.
During a traffic stop, you can't dismount your bike nor can you step out of your vehicle unless directed to do so.
Is that illegal where you live?
Yes, I am all too familiar with the dangers of traffic stops. A few years ago, we had an officer pull over a store in a convience store parking lot, before he could get unbelted, much less out of his car, the suspect came running back, beat him unconscious thru the driver's window, disarmed him, and then executed him in the parking lot.
#17
01-02-2008, 11:36 AM
RE: Helmet Protest Ride
ORIGINAL: xxxflhrci
Riding to a courthouse on a holiday to make a protest demonstration makes no sense to me. I figure if you are gonna put on a show, you at least need an audience to see it.
Riding to a courthouse on a holiday to make a protest demonstration makes no sense to me. I figure if you are gonna put on a show, you at least need an audience to see it.
#18
01-02-2008, 12:10 PM
Cruiser
RE: Helmet Protest Ride
If you DO ever receive a ticket for no seat belt because you took your off AFTER you were stopped, or not wearing a helmet because you took it off AFTER being stopped, i would suggest you fight it in court. you must be OPERATING the vehicle while not wearing that seat belt or helmet...now many times people say they JUST took their seatbelt off so they could get their insurance when it was clear that the seatbelt had been off prior to bein stopped.
#19
01-02-2008, 06:32 PM
RE: Helmet Protest Ride
ORIGINAL: ropd0184
If you DO ever receive a ticket for no seat belt because you took your off AFTER you were stopped, or not wearing a helmet because you took it off AFTER being stopped, i would suggest you fight it in court. you must be OPERATING the vehicle while not wearing that seat belt or helmet...now many times people say they JUST took their seatbelt off so they could get their insurance when it was clear that the seatbelt had been off prior to bein stopped.
If you DO ever receive a ticket for no seat belt because you took your off AFTER you were stopped, or not wearing a helmet because you took it off AFTER being stopped, i would suggest you fight it in court. you must be OPERATING the vehicle while not wearing that seat belt or helmet...now many times people say they JUST took their seatbelt off so they could get their insurance when it was clear that the seatbelt had been off prior to bein stopped.
While I would never write a guy who just took his helmet or seatbelt off, by the letter of the law you are "operating a vehicle" (in Va., anyway), if the keys are in the ignition. This is the part of the law that lets us arrest guys passed out behind the wheel for DUI.
Yeah, yeah, I know. Lots of Harleys don't have keys in the ignition when you are operating them.
#20
01-02-2008, 07:23 PM
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RE: Helmet Protest Ride
ORIGINAL: xxxflhrci
Just wondering. Do you happen to have a specific code number for that law in your state? I'd like to read the text on it. I've been a LEO in my state for 15 years. While we don't like it when people get out of their cars, there isn't a specific law that prohibits them for doing it....at least I've never seen it or heard of anybody using it.
Yes, I am all too familiar with the dangers of traffic stops. A few years ago, we had an officer pull over a store in a convience store parking lot, before he could get unbelted, much less out of his car, the suspect came running back, beat him unconscious thru the driver's window, disarmed him, and then executed him in the parking lot.
ORIGINAL: xxxflhrci
ORIGINAL: chiabate
Sure it is. You getting off your bike or getting out of your car is considered a physical threat. I'm all for laws to protect the LEO's but not to further empty my pockets if I run into one that just got a full ticket book and had his/her watch commander say "fill it" or else. I lived through the days of them getting an assembly of white boys off a corner or out of a park, always had that $35 "disorderly conduct" bail stuffed in my wallet. LEO's are just doing their job, but some are more influenced than others.
Sure it is. You getting off your bike or getting out of your car is considered a physical threat. I'm all for laws to protect the LEO's but not to further empty my pockets if I run into one that just got a full ticket book and had his/her watch commander say "fill it" or else. I lived through the days of them getting an assembly of white boys off a corner or out of a park, always had that $35 "disorderly conduct" bail stuffed in my wallet. LEO's are just doing their job, but some are more influenced than others.
ORIGINAL: xxxflhrci
Is that illegal where you live?
ORIGINAL: chiabate
During a traffic stop, you can't dismount your bike nor can you step out of your vehicle unless directed to do so.
During a traffic stop, you can't dismount your bike nor can you step out of your vehicle unless directed to do so.
Is that illegal where you live?
Yes, I am all too familiar with the dangers of traffic stops. A few years ago, we had an officer pull over a store in a convience store parking lot, before he could get unbelted, much less out of his car, the suspect came running back, beat him unconscious thru the driver's window, disarmed him, and then executed him in the parking lot.
I have rode with them several times to some tuff calls.