Emergency stops
#81
RE: Emergency stops
ORIGINAL: 99octane
I guess that what really helped me was the fact that, instead of focusing on the goddamned crease, I kept my head up and my eyes fixed on the car I was following, and my body did the rest by itself.
PS: I've noticed that no matter how good you are in something, be it driving, computer programming, forging iron, shooting or whatever, there's always something to learn in the "for beginners" section
I guess that what really helped me was the fact that, instead of focusing on the goddamned crease, I kept my head up and my eyes fixed on the car I was following, and my body did the rest by itself.
PS: I've noticed that no matter how good you are in something, be it driving, computer programming, forging iron, shooting or whatever, there's always something to learn in the "for beginners" section
#82
RE: Emergency stops
The road was empty, the car in front of me was about 100 ft away
Thanks anyway for the warning on looking beyond the car directly in front of me. I always do that on a road with trafic. I did it for years as a "cager", and always have been well aware of the littlest movements of cars and bikes around me that could forebear a change in direction or weird maneuver without warning.
I was surprised to see how many people learned to do this only when riding a bike and rarely paid attention when they were "just" driving a car.
As for lean angle, yes, I guess I had _a lot_ of lean angle left... first rides, rookie and everything. The rest of the road was dry, but the crease was not, being somewhat in the shadow (when you go around drifting on a 360 hp car you learn to pay attention to such details)
As for "room for improvement", I have so much the whole forum could park their bikes in it and throw a party...
Up to now I've logged a fat 27,3 km of riding on my HD, and an estimate 48 km of riding on the Suzuki ER5 of the riding school...
PS: who's the gal in your avatar? Does she have a riding jacket painted on her? It looks so from the picture.
Thanks anyway for the warning on looking beyond the car directly in front of me. I always do that on a road with trafic. I did it for years as a "cager", and always have been well aware of the littlest movements of cars and bikes around me that could forebear a change in direction or weird maneuver without warning.
I was surprised to see how many people learned to do this only when riding a bike and rarely paid attention when they were "just" driving a car.
As for lean angle, yes, I guess I had _a lot_ of lean angle left... first rides, rookie and everything. The rest of the road was dry, but the crease was not, being somewhat in the shadow (when you go around drifting on a 360 hp car you learn to pay attention to such details)
As for "room for improvement", I have so much the whole forum could park their bikes in it and throw a party...
Up to now I've logged a fat 27,3 km of riding on my HD, and an estimate 48 km of riding on the Suzuki ER5 of the riding school...
PS: who's the gal in your avatar? Does she have a riding jacket painted on her? It looks so from the picture.
#84
RE: Emergency stops
ORIGINAL: 99octane
I was surprised to see how many people learned to do this only when riding a bike and rarely paid attention when they were "just" driving a car.
PS: who's the gal in your avatar? Does she have a riding jacket painted on her? It looks so from the picture.
I was surprised to see how many people learned to do this only when riding a bike and rarely paid attention when they were "just" driving a car.
PS: who's the gal in your avatar? Does she have a riding jacket painted on her? It looks so from the picture.
I found the girl in a body painting forum, thought it would make a cute avatar.
#85
RE: Emergency stops
Lots of great information here. One thing that hasn't been specifically mentioned is developing the habit of using both brakes everytime, thus creating the muscle memory that allows the rider to apply both brakes for maximum effect in an emergency. In other words if you routinely use both brakes to stop all the time it will be automatic when you really need them.
#86
RE: Emergency stops
ORIGINAL: rwagon57
Lots of great information here. One thing that hasn't been specifically mentioned is developing the habit of using both brakes everytime, thus creating the muscle memory that allows the rider to apply both brakes for maximum effect in an emergency. In other words if you routinely use both brakes to stop all the time it will be automatic when you really need them.
Lots of great information here. One thing that hasn't been specifically mentioned is developing the habit of using both brakes everytime, thus creating the muscle memory that allows the rider to apply both brakes for maximum effect in an emergency. In other words if you routinely use both brakes to stop all the time it will be automatic when you really need them.
Maybe notin those specifics, but that is what the regular practice of good threshold combination braking is all about.
#87
RE: Emergency stops
The only way is practicing BEFORE you need it. After... it's too late.
When the **** hits the fan, you'll be scared, and scared people revert to "ape mode". You'll do what you usually do or fall back on the old "all brakes full force!" default mode. It's true on a bike, on a bycicle, on a car.
Now, this is a problem for me because, driving sports cars, I've trained to detect brake locking and release them. On a car without ABS this is the correct thing to do. I can usually act within a few tenths of a second (included the time the brakes require to let go) because I don't even have to think about it. Unfortunately this seems the WRONG thing to do on a bike... but it's a well ingrained automatism for me. I'll have to re-train for the bike... and it won't be easy. Much harder than it is for somebody that starts with a clean slate.
Bad habits are harder to break than good habits to build.
Any advice?
When the **** hits the fan, you'll be scared, and scared people revert to "ape mode". You'll do what you usually do or fall back on the old "all brakes full force!" default mode. It's true on a bike, on a bycicle, on a car.
Now, this is a problem for me because, driving sports cars, I've trained to detect brake locking and release them. On a car without ABS this is the correct thing to do. I can usually act within a few tenths of a second (included the time the brakes require to let go) because I don't even have to think about it. Unfortunately this seems the WRONG thing to do on a bike... but it's a well ingrained automatism for me. I'll have to re-train for the bike... and it won't be easy. Much harder than it is for somebody that starts with a clean slate.
Bad habits are harder to break than good habits to build.
Any advice?
#88
RE: Emergency stops
ORIGINAL: rwagon57
Lots of great information here. One thing that hasn't been specifically mentioned is developing the habit of using both brakes everytime, thus creating the muscle memory that allows the rider to apply both brakes for maximum effect in an emergency. In other words if you routinely use both brakes to stop all the time it will be automatic when you really need them.
Lots of great information here. One thing that hasn't been specifically mentioned is developing the habit of using both brakes everytime, thus creating the muscle memory that allows the rider to apply both brakes for maximum effect in an emergency. In other words if you routinely use both brakes to stop all the time it will be automatic when you really need them.
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