"THIS IS BULLSH*T"
#11
08-13-2007, 01:08 PM
RE: "THIS IS BULLSH*T"
Did the guy commit a more serious violation, cuz the other vehicle was a motorcycle?
NO.
It is a traffic accident, NOT a traffic [/i]on-purpose[/i]. Unless you can prove that the driver:
A: Hit the motorcycle on purpose
or
B: Prior to the accident, was driving in a manner that was likely to endanger himself or others
then, it is ONLY a traffic offense.
I would like to see where you pulled your info from, that states that "in 1% of car-motorcycle accidents, where the car driver is at fault for failure to yield the right of way, is that driver ticketed".
I call BS. You are making it sound like LESS enforcment action is taken in car-motorcycle wrecks, than is taken in car-car wrecks. Maybe you can provide us with some links to back up that claim.
NO.
It is a traffic accident, NOT a traffic [/i]on-purpose[/i]. Unless you can prove that the driver:
A: Hit the motorcycle on purpose
or
B: Prior to the accident, was driving in a manner that was likely to endanger himself or others
then, it is ONLY a traffic offense.
I would like to see where you pulled your info from, that states that "in 1% of car-motorcycle accidents, where the car driver is at fault for failure to yield the right of way, is that driver ticketed".
I call BS. You are making it sound like LESS enforcment action is taken in car-motorcycle wrecks, than is taken in car-car wrecks. Maybe you can provide us with some links to back up that claim.
#12
08-13-2007, 01:08 PM
Outstanding HDF Member
RE: "THIS IS BULLSH*T"
are you a member of ABATE? If not, join and be active. Let your voice be heard.
#13
08-13-2007, 01:13 PM
RE: "THIS IS BULLSH*T"
ORIGINAL: B dog
WTF is ABATE doing ? Fighting our congressman for the right not to ware a helment while people kill bikers all over the USA ???? No wonder they think bikers are stupid.
We need to wake the hell up and unite together as bikers and do something about people getting away with killing bikers. Everyone on this site should talk to there local ABATE and get something done about this.
WTF is ABATE doing ? Fighting our congressman for the right not to ware a helment while people kill bikers all over the USA ???? No wonder they think bikers are stupid.
We need to wake the hell up and unite together as bikers and do something about people getting away with killing bikers. Everyone on this site should talk to there local ABATE and get something done about this.
that drivers be aware of motorcycles, large awareness banners stretched across town squares, ect.
Clearly, this is still not enough.
Get involved, attend some meetings, write your congressmen. ABATE is much more than helmet laws.
Stiffer penalties for causing fatal accidents has been/is always on the agenda, along with cell phone usage and any other distractive B.S. inatentive car drivers are doing while causing accidents.
This may sound corny but don't askwhat ABATE can do for you, ask what you can do for ABATE.
Strength in numbers man, and last time I checked, there's a whole lot more motorcycle riders out there
than ever before. Without the efforts of ABATE, we may not even be able to ride someday.
#14
08-13-2007, 01:20 PM
RE: "THIS IS BULLSH*T"
ORIGINAL: CSI Topeka
Did the guy commit a more serious violation, cuz the other vehicle was a motorcycle?
NO.
It is a traffic accident, NOT a traffic [/i]on-purpose[/i]. Unless you can prove that the driver:
A: Hit the motorcycle on purpose
or
B: Prior to the accident, was driving in a manner that was likely to endanger himself or others
then, it is ONLY a traffic offense.
I would like to see where you pulled your info from, that states that "in 1% of car-motorcycle accidents, where the car driver is at fault for failure to yield the right of way, is that driver ticketed".
I call BS. You are making it sound like LESS enforcment action is taken in car-motorcycle wrecks, than is taken in car-car wrecks. Maybe you can provide us with some links to back up that claim.
Did the guy commit a more serious violation, cuz the other vehicle was a motorcycle?
NO.
It is a traffic accident, NOT a traffic [/i]on-purpose[/i]. Unless you can prove that the driver:
A: Hit the motorcycle on purpose
or
B: Prior to the accident, was driving in a manner that was likely to endanger himself or others
then, it is ONLY a traffic offense.
I would like to see where you pulled your info from, that states that "in 1% of car-motorcycle accidents, where the car driver is at fault for failure to yield the right of way, is that driver ticketed".
I call BS. You are making it sound like LESS enforcment action is taken in car-motorcycle wrecks, than is taken in car-car wrecks. Maybe you can provide us with some links to back up that claim.
One would figure you being a LEO that you would of done some homework before shooting your donut eating overweight mouth off. First off. WTF IS A TICKET when you've taken a leg or life ? Second, go call the FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HIGHWAY SAFETY and MOTOR VEHICLES ( Florida crash records database). There you can find all the evidence you need to back up my statements. Any other questions MR LEO ?
And as far as im concerned- IF YOU'VE GOT YOUR HEAD UP YOUR AS* PLAYING WITH A C-PHONE , RADIO , BOOMBOX , MAKEUP , LOOKING COOL BY LAYING YOUR SEAT ALL THE WAY DOWN, DRINKING TO MUCH, BEING A IDIOT WHILE OPERATING A VEHICLE AND YOU CAUSE AN ACCIDENT. "
"YOU SHOULD BE CHARGED PERIOD"
#15
08-13-2007, 01:23 PM
RE: "THIS IS BULLSH*T"
ORIGINAL: bfred
Yup. Talk and join your local ABATE. It's a long hard road and just within the last couple years they are finally achieving biker awareness in driver education programs, radio stations' commercialsadvertising
that drivers be aware of motorcycles, large awareness banners stretched across town squares, ect.
Clearly, this is still not enough.
Get involved, attend some meetings, write your congressmen. ABATE is much more than helmet laws.
Stiffer penalties for causing fatal accidents has been/is always on the agenda, along with cell phone usage and any other distractive B.S. inatentive car drivers are doing while causing accidents.
This may sound corny but don't askwhat ABATE can do for you, ask what you can do for ABATE.
Strength in numbers man, and last time I checked, there's a whole lot more motorcycle riders out there
than ever before. Without the efforts of ABATE, we may not even be able to ride someday.
ORIGINAL: B dog
WTF is ABATE doing ? Fighting our congressman for the right not to ware a helment while people kill bikers all over the USA ???? No wonder they think bikers are stupid.
We need to wake the hell up and unite together as bikers and do something about people getting away with killing bikers. Everyone on this site should talk to there local ABATE and get something done about this.
WTF is ABATE doing ? Fighting our congressman for the right not to ware a helment while people kill bikers all over the USA ???? No wonder they think bikers are stupid.
We need to wake the hell up and unite together as bikers and do something about people getting away with killing bikers. Everyone on this site should talk to there local ABATE and get something done about this.
that drivers be aware of motorcycles, large awareness banners stretched across town squares, ect.
Clearly, this is still not enough.
Get involved, attend some meetings, write your congressmen. ABATE is much more than helmet laws.
Stiffer penalties for causing fatal accidents has been/is always on the agenda, along with cell phone usage and any other distractive B.S. inatentive car drivers are doing while causing accidents.
This may sound corny but don't askwhat ABATE can do for you, ask what you can do for ABATE.
Strength in numbers man, and last time I checked, there's a whole lot more motorcycle riders out there
than ever before. Without the efforts of ABATE, we may not even be able to ride someday.
#16
08-13-2007, 01:33 PM
RE: "THIS IS BULLSH*T"
ORIGINAL: B dog
Already a member and im doing all i can but i need help. We need more members and people who care about motorcycle rights. Please. If you don't want to come to the meatings, at least voice your opinions and suport your local chapter.
Already a member and im doing all i can but i need help. We need more members and people who care about motorcycle rights. Please. If you don't want to come to the meatings, at least voice your opinions and suport your local chapter.
We need more members and people who not only care about motorcycle rights, but care enough to get involved in motorcycle rights through ABATE. Every bit helps.
#18
08-13-2007, 01:41 PM
RE: "THIS IS BULLSH*T"
ORIGINAL: B dog
One would figure you being a LEO that you would of done some homework before shooting your donut eating overweight mouth off. First off. WTF IS A TICKET when you've taken a leg or life ? Second, go call the FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HIGHWAY SAFETY and MOTOR VEHICLES ( Florida crash records database). There you can find all the evidence you need to back up my statements. Any other questions MR LEO ?
And as far as im concerned- IF YOU'VE GOT YOUR HEAD UP YOUR AS* PLAYING WITH A C-PHONE , RADIO , BOOMBOX , MAKEUP , LOOKING COOL BY LAYING YOUR SEAT ALL THE WAY DOWN, DRINKING TO MUCH, BEING A IDIOT WHILE OPERATING A VEHICLE AND YOU CAUSE AN ACCIDENT. "
"YOU SHOULD BE CHARGED PERIOD"
ORIGINAL: CSI Topeka
Did the guy commit a more serious violation, cuz the other vehicle was a motorcycle?
NO.
It is a traffic accident, NOT a traffic [/i]on-purpose[/i]. Unless you can prove that the driver:
A: Hit the motorcycle on purpose
or
B: Prior to the accident, was driving in a manner that was likely to endanger himself or others
then, it is ONLY a traffic offense.
I would like to see where you pulled your info from, that states that "in 1% of car-motorcycle accidents, where the car driver is at fault for failure to yield the right of way, is that driver ticketed".
I call BS. You are making it sound like LESS enforcment action is taken in car-motorcycle wrecks, than is taken in car-car wrecks. Maybe you can provide us with some links to back up that claim.
Did the guy commit a more serious violation, cuz the other vehicle was a motorcycle?
NO.
It is a traffic accident, NOT a traffic [/i]on-purpose[/i]. Unless you can prove that the driver:
A: Hit the motorcycle on purpose
or
B: Prior to the accident, was driving in a manner that was likely to endanger himself or others
then, it is ONLY a traffic offense.
I would like to see where you pulled your info from, that states that "in 1% of car-motorcycle accidents, where the car driver is at fault for failure to yield the right of way, is that driver ticketed".
I call BS. You are making it sound like LESS enforcment action is taken in car-motorcycle wrecks, than is taken in car-car wrecks. Maybe you can provide us with some links to back up that claim.
One would figure you being a LEO that you would of done some homework before shooting your donut eating overweight mouth off. First off. WTF IS A TICKET when you've taken a leg or life ? Second, go call the FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HIGHWAY SAFETY and MOTOR VEHICLES ( Florida crash records database). There you can find all the evidence you need to back up my statements. Any other questions MR LEO ?
And as far as im concerned- IF YOU'VE GOT YOUR HEAD UP YOUR AS* PLAYING WITH A C-PHONE , RADIO , BOOMBOX , MAKEUP , LOOKING COOL BY LAYING YOUR SEAT ALL THE WAY DOWN, DRINKING TO MUCH, BEING A IDIOT WHILE OPERATING A VEHICLE AND YOU CAUSE AN ACCIDENT. "
"YOU SHOULD BE CHARGED PERIOD"
BTW...I don't like donuts, and I am hardly overweight.
As far asexperience?
Basic Accident School
Advanced Accident Investigation
Accident Reconstruction School
Motorcycle Accident Reconstruction School
12+ years traffic experience in trafffic enforcement, Motor carrier enforcement, dui enforcment, etc etc
8+ yrs member of the Accident Reconstruction Unit
#19
08-13-2007, 01:47 PM
RE: "THIS IS BULLSH*T"
If it's any consolation, these idiots don't get charged half the time when they hit a car either. 
Some half-blind old fogey ran a stop sign and totaled three cars (one of them my Mom's) awhile back. He never got a ticket. But my Mom got her insurance cancelled. It's equal opportunity stupidity out there.
Some half-blind old fogey ran a stop sign and totaled three cars (one of them my Mom's) awhile back. He never got a ticket. But my Mom got her insurance cancelled. It's equal opportunity stupidity out there.
#20
08-13-2007, 01:48 PM
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RE: "THIS IS BULLSH*T"
My grandmother was killed in May of this year by a driver of a truck(she was in a truck as well) and because the driver was not impaired in anyway he was only ticketed for failure to yeild(he passed the stop sign). I thought it was BS, but the DA showed me that it was nothing more than an accident which resulted sadly in the loss of a life. If not impaired they will not charge vehicular homicide. Now in civil court he is neglegent and will have to settle up but criminally he is not. I don't like it, but that's the way it is.