What is the next motorcycle you’re thinking about
#191
My wife wants a touring bike at some point. It wont be another Harley unless they get more modern bikes in the next couple of years. I am thinking BMW used is a lot of bike for the money. All my cars are German, might as well have a German bike too. I could keep my Dyna for shorter trips.
#192
I don't believe those bikes are "grandfathered in", rather the rest of Honda and Suzuki's more modern offerings come under the emission limits enough (for now) that even with those two non-compliant bikes the total line-up average squeaks by the EPA. I've owned both XR650's and DR650's and both have their strengths, with the XR a little more capable off road but the DR engine a little smoother and probably better longevity with it's oil cooled engine.
AFAIK, if a manufacturer makes any changes to a motorcycle engine, it will have to be recertified for emissions, and the big Japanese Thumpers wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of being certified. They don't even have cat's.
Last edited by RK4ME; 07-05-2021 at 12:41 AM.
#193
I have also owned a XR650L and a DR650. I already had an XR600 when I bought the XR650L. It had a nice motor but was too tall and felt too much like a "tank" compared to the 600, which I plated when I sold the XR650L. I sold my old DR650 last Spring but I'm tempted to buy a brand new one when the supply is up and a good deal can be had. Big Thumpers bring a smile to my face when I ride them. I wonder what the MoCo could do with half of a Revolution Max engine.
AFAIK, if a manufacturer makes any changes to a motorcycle engine, it will have to be recertified for emissions, and the big Japanese Thumpers wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of being certified. They don't even have cat's.
AFAIK, if a manufacturer makes any changes to a motorcycle engine, it will have to be recertified for emissions, and the big Japanese Thumpers wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of being certified. They don't even have cat's.
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#195
Like the DR650, the XR650L is carbureted and air cooled; it's an ancient design and therefore grandfathered in. If they designed and introduced those bikes, as is, in 2021, they wouldn't stand a chance of passing the emissions tests. Where are the catalytic converters on those bikes?
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#198
Like the DR650, the XR650L is carbureted and air cooled; it's an ancient design and therefore grandfathered in. If they designed and introduced those bikes, as is, in 2021, they wouldn't stand a chance of passing the emissions tests. Where are the catalytic converters on those bikes?
That surprises me, because my 2011 Honda CB-125 was also aircooled and carbureted, and it had a catalytic converter. That was clearly mentioned in its book.
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#199
I'm not going to go hunting for documentation but there is no other explanation possible for the DR650 to be absolutely unchanged since 1996 except for colors . "Continuous improvement" is part of Japanese manufacturing doctrine, yet there are no improvements on the DRs, not even LED lights; there's a reason for that. I haven't been paying attention to the XR650L since I sold mine but I believe Honda is doing the same thing with that bike. I can't think of any other big bore, carbureted, air cooled bikes that are still being produced. The DR650 and the XR650L are simple, reliable, and capable bikes, which is why people are still buying them. Since their tooling and R&D were paid off a long time ago, they're relatively cheap to build and are still made in Japan.
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