Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
#71
07-17-2007, 06:52 PM
RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
ORIGINAL: TxHarleyGuy2007
Following that line of logic, then shouldn't a motorcyclistwho 'opts' not to have a sticker not be placed in the possible position of being pulled over by law enforcement as a result?
Contrary to the many comments above, thisis not a pick on LE thread.It's intent was to gauge whether or not there are those of you out there who feel as though law enforcement officersshould be held to astandard (be it ethical, procedural, or however one cares to term it)separate and apart from the community at large.
Let's try to break this down in the simplest of terms yet again.
A. Officer can pull over a motorcyclist who is not wearing a helmet and who does not have the 'Helmet Exempt' sticker on his plate.
B. Same officer rides a bike; personal bike.
C. Same officer - while riding personal bike - is in full uniform and not wearing a helmet.
D. Same officer - while in full uniform and riding with no helmet - has no 'Helmet Exempt' tag on plate. Yes, the optional $5.00 one.
E. No one out there sees this as 'different' to say the least?
ORIGINAL: TM
If its optional its optional, period.Doesn't optional apply to LEO"s?
If its optional its optional, period.Doesn't optional apply to LEO"s?
Contrary to the many comments above, thisis not a pick on LE thread.It's intent was to gauge whether or not there are those of you out there who feel as though law enforcement officersshould be held to astandard (be it ethical, procedural, or however one cares to term it)separate and apart from the community at large.
Let's try to break this down in the simplest of terms yet again.
A. Officer can pull over a motorcyclist who is not wearing a helmet and who does not have the 'Helmet Exempt' sticker on his plate.
B. Same officer rides a bike; personal bike.
C. Same officer - while riding personal bike - is in full uniform and not wearing a helmet.
D. Same officer - while in full uniform and riding with no helmet - has no 'Helmet Exempt' tag on plate. Yes, the optional $5.00 one.
E. No one out there sees this as 'different' to say the least?
If he is required to have one then it is no longer OPTIONAL.
#72
07-17-2007, 07:34 PM
RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
ORIGINAL: TxHarleyGuy2007
Following that line of logic, then shouldn't a motorcyclistwho 'opts' not to have a sticker not be placed in the possible position of being pulled over by law enforcement as a result?
Contrary to the many comments above, thisis not a pick on LE thread.It's intent was to gauge whether or not there are those of you out there who feel as though law enforcement officersshould be held to astandard (be it ethical, procedural, or however one cares to term it)separate and apart from the community at large.
Let's try to break this down in the simplest of terms yet again.
A. Officer can pull over a motorcyclist who is not wearing a helmet and who does not have the 'Helmet Exempt' sticker on his plate.
B. Same officer rides a bike; personal bike.
C. Same officer - while riding personal bike - is in full uniform and not wearing a helmet.
D. Same officer - while in full uniform and riding with no helmet - has no 'Helmet Exempt' tag on plate. Yes, the optional $5.00 one.
E. No one out there sees this as 'different' to say the least?
ORIGINAL: TM
If its optional its optional, period.Doesn't optional apply to LEO"s?
If its optional its optional, period.Doesn't optional apply to LEO"s?
Contrary to the many comments above, thisis not a pick on LE thread.It's intent was to gauge whether or not there are those of you out there who feel as though law enforcement officersshould be held to astandard (be it ethical, procedural, or however one cares to term it)separate and apart from the community at large.
Let's try to break this down in the simplest of terms yet again.
A. Officer can pull over a motorcyclist who is not wearing a helmet and who does not have the 'Helmet Exempt' sticker on his plate.
B. Same officer rides a bike; personal bike.
C. Same officer - while riding personal bike - is in full uniform and not wearing a helmet.
D. Same officer - while in full uniform and riding with no helmet - has no 'Helmet Exempt' tag on plate. Yes, the optional $5.00 one.
E. No one out there sees this as 'different' to say the least?
#73
07-17-2007, 08:45 PM
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RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
If the law says the sticker is required then you put the F'n sticker on your bike. If it's optional then don't F'n worry about it, put it on only if you want to. We are talking about an optional sticker here, get over it. If the guy was riding 100mph down a residential street on his rear wheel hell yeah he get's a ticket, but a optional sticker give me a break.
We Police Officers are held to a higher standard, by our employers, the citizens our families and ourselves. And if we break the law then we pay the consequences no if, ands or but about it. But not having an optional sticker on your bike is not breaking the law, period.
We Police Officers are held to a higher standard, by our employers, the citizens our families and ourselves. And if we break the law then we pay the consequences no if, ands or but about it. But not having an optional sticker on your bike is not breaking the law, period.
#74
07-17-2007, 08:52 PM
RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
As a retired LEO I do agree with you about the higher standard, it is true lead by example. I just can't imagine a department that lets you ride a non-police bike in uniform. That leads to all kind of unwanted troubles.
#75
07-17-2007, 09:03 PM
RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
Why would he be pulled over in uniform without a sticker? He obviouly has the dept's medical coverage which would certainly meet the minimum requirement. For FL without a helmet you have to have 10K in medical. I was stopped at a vehicle checkpoint. Showed them my DL and Mil ID and let go after realised we have the 10K minimum.
#76
07-17-2007, 09:29 PM
RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
ORIGINAL: Tinkermc
As a retired LEO I do agree with you about the higher standard, it is true lead by example. I just can't imagine a department that lets you ride a non-police bike in uniform. That leads to all kind of unwanted troubles.
As a retired LEO I do agree with you about the higher standard, it is true lead by example. I just can't imagine a department that lets you ride a non-police bike in uniform. That leads to all kind of unwanted troubles.
#77
07-17-2007, 10:26 PM
RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
In Texas you can apply for the sticker, OR have a ceratin amoun of medical insurance.
If you have enough medical insurance you dont need a sticker and not required to wear a helmet.
In addition if you have had a MSF basic course you dont need to wear a helmet or need a sticker.
You may be required to show proof of insurance or MSF completeion if pulled over.
Think of all the bandwidth used up for this and it was based on a wrong premise.
If you have enough medical insurance you dont need a sticker and not required to wear a helmet.
In addition if you have had a MSF basic course you dont need to wear a helmet or need a sticker.
You may be required to show proof of insurance or MSF completeion if pulled over.
Think of all the bandwidth used up for this and it was based on a wrong premise.
#78
07-17-2007, 10:40 PM
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RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
I have not read all the posts on this thread therefore I may be repeating some other's opinion but here is mine in response to the initial post.
I disagree with you entirely. I am a resident of Texas also and the law does not require an adult over eighteen to wear a helmet or have the sticker. Therefore, how is the officer setting a poor example. He is within the law, period. You may think a rider should wear a helmet but that is your opinion and he is under no obligation to support and/or set an example for your opinion. Your opinion about wearing a helmet (and I do not know if this is your opinion ) is not shared by the state legislature, the governor, or the majority of motorcycle riders in Texas. I do not understand why you think this officer was setting a bad example.
I disagree with you entirely. I am a resident of Texas also and the law does not require an adult over eighteen to wear a helmet or have the sticker. Therefore, how is the officer setting a poor example. He is within the law, period. You may think a rider should wear a helmet but that is your opinion and he is under no obligation to support and/or set an example for your opinion. Your opinion about wearing a helmet (and I do not know if this is your opinion ) is not shared by the state legislature, the governor, or the majority of motorcycle riders in Texas. I do not understand why you think this officer was setting a bad example.
#79
07-17-2007, 10:44 PM
RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
ORIGINAL: Law Dawg
Well maybe he has an exemption sticker maybe not. But the bottom line is that he is in uniform and I'd venture to bet that the helmet is an offical part of that uniform. It also probably states that while operating his state issued Motorcycle and in uniform you will wear your helmet. At worse IMO he's out of uniform an subject to internal department discipline. Could of got his name off his name tag and reported him or made an inquiry regarding the situation.
Well maybe he has an exemption sticker maybe not. But the bottom line is that he is in uniform and I'd venture to bet that the helmet is an offical part of that uniform. It also probably states that while operating his state issued Motorcycle and in uniform you will wear your helmet. At worse IMO he's out of uniform an subject to internal department discipline. Could of got his name off his name tag and reported him or made an inquiry regarding the situation.
#80
07-17-2007, 11:01 PM
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RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
I live and ride in Texas without a helmet and without the sticker. I have never been pulled over and questioned about my medical insurance coverage or anything else concerning my not wearing a helmet. Most riders that I see do not have the sticker. From the information originally posted, this officer was proper and doing nothing to indicate a disregard for the law, in my opinion. Someone seems a little perturbed that they were pulled over once and asked to show proof of adequate medical insurance coverage. Get over it.