Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
#21
07-17-2007, 11:38 AM
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RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
ORIGINAL: TxHarleyGuy2007
No, there is no visible mention of the 'helmet exempt' sticker on one's drivers license. That is, separate and apart from the motorcycle endorsement itself.
And by placing the sticker on the tag, it is NOT saying that the BIKE is exempt at all. In reading the guidelines, it speaks specifically to the persons operating or riding on the bike. It states the following:
"Persons operating, or riding upon, a motorcycle with a helmet exemption sticker displayed on the license plate or license plate mounting bracket are presumed to meet the training or insurance requirements for riding without a helmet."
At least, that's my understanding of the deal.
ORIGINAL: OldFenderGuy
Interesting about the 'exempt sticker'..
Do they also make a notation of the 'exemption' on your drivers license, along with the motorcycle endorsement, so if they run a check on your drivers license it will show your are 'helmet exempt'?
It seems to me that by placing the 'exemption sticker' on the bike tag, it is saying that the bike (and not the rider) are helmet exempt, and that anyone riding that specific bike could go helmet free, even if they don't meet the required conditions.
Also, what happens if you rent or borrow a bike which doesn't have the stick on the tag? Sounds like it could get kind of confusing.
Interesting about the 'exempt sticker'..
Do they also make a notation of the 'exemption' on your drivers license, along with the motorcycle endorsement, so if they run a check on your drivers license it will show your are 'helmet exempt'?
It seems to me that by placing the 'exemption sticker' on the bike tag, it is saying that the bike (and not the rider) are helmet exempt, and that anyone riding that specific bike could go helmet free, even if they don't meet the required conditions.
Also, what happens if you rent or borrow a bike which doesn't have the stick on the tag? Sounds like it could get kind of confusing.
And by placing the sticker on the tag, it is NOT saying that the BIKE is exempt at all. In reading the guidelines, it speaks specifically to the persons operating or riding on the bike. It states the following:
"Persons operating, or riding upon, a motorcycle with a helmet exemption sticker displayed on the license plate or license plate mounting bracket are presumed to meet the training or insurance requirements for riding without a helmet."
At least, that's my understanding of the deal.
Or, what if I am not helmet exempt (don't have the required training and/or insurance), borrow your bike with the exempt sticker, and decided to not wear a helmet.
If the police pull up behind you when you are riding down the road how would they know if the person riding the bike has met the requirements to ride helmet free? All they know if that the bike someone is riding has an exempt sticker. They don't know anything about the rider, or even if the registered owner is the person on the bike.
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RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
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however- what many people fail to realize is that once the officers shift ends, hes on 'his' time. if he chose to ride wearing nothing but a neon thong- thats his choice.
however- what many people fail to realize is that once the officers shift ends, hes on 'his' time. if he chose to ride wearing nothing but a neon thong- thats his choice.
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RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
ORIGINAL: OldFenderGuy
1. But my question is, if you are 'exempt' from wearing a helmet in Texas (have the required training and/or insurance) and you rent a bike that does not have the 'sticker' on the tag, are you required to wear a helmet while riding that rented bike?
2. Or, what if I am not helmet exempt (don't have the required training and/or insurance), borrow your bike with the exempt sticker, and decided to not wear a helmet.
3. If the police pull up behind you when you are riding down the road how would they know if the person riding the bike has met the requirements to ride helmet free? All they know if that the bike someone is riding has an exempt sticker. They don't know anything about the rider, or even if the registered owner is the person on the bike.
1. But my question is, if you are 'exempt' from wearing a helmet in Texas (have the required training and/or insurance) and you rent a bike that does not have the 'sticker' on the tag, are you required to wear a helmet while riding that rented bike?
2. Or, what if I am not helmet exempt (don't have the required training and/or insurance), borrow your bike with the exempt sticker, and decided to not wear a helmet.
3. If the police pull up behind you when you are riding down the road how would they know if the person riding the bike has met the requirements to ride helmet free? All they know if that the bike someone is riding has an exempt sticker. They don't know anything about the rider, or even if the registered owner is the person on the bike.
2. In such an instance, you would knowingly be circumventing the law. Again, I think you know the answer to these questions prior to. So I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish here?
3. The police wouldn't know. How could they? Think of the entire 'sticker thing' as one being on the honor system. It is presumed that if one has a sticker on a bike that the individual riding said bike is in fact the owner and has met the required mandates for same. Simple as that. One can twist it however they wish. That's up to them I guess.
#24
07-17-2007, 11:45 AM
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RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
then perhaps the officer should be paid for being 'on duty for 24hrs'?
#25
07-17-2007, 11:48 AM
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RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
ORIGINAL: Domestic Violence
im a cop. i ride a city issued road king. i also own my personal road king. i dont have an inspection sticker on my personal ride. is that wrong? well- legally, yes. i choose to take the chance of being stopped by an on-duty officer and being ticketed for the offense. its a personal choice that i made- i dont want a sticker on my $20,000 motorcycle. am i setting a 'bad' example? well- to some people, yes. am i held to a higher-standard? yes- as i should be.
however- what many people fail to realize is that once the officers shift ends, hes on 'his' time. if he chose to ride wearing nothing but a neon thong- thats his choice.
also- this is also the same guy who YOU call when you need help. hes the guy who runs TOWARDS gun fire when everyone else is running AWAY from it. hes the cop who stops speeders in school-zones (the schools where YOUR kids attend). he fights the thugs, the drug dealers and the robbers. while many will say 'thats his j-o-b', it is. how many people would have the ***** to be a cop?
if he wanted to ride with no helmet, so be it.
i dont see people ranting about 'joe the plumber' or 'ed the electrician' riding without a "sticker" or a helmet.
im a cop. i ride a city issued road king. i also own my personal road king. i dont have an inspection sticker on my personal ride. is that wrong? well- legally, yes. i choose to take the chance of being stopped by an on-duty officer and being ticketed for the offense. its a personal choice that i made- i dont want a sticker on my $20,000 motorcycle. am i setting a 'bad' example? well- to some people, yes. am i held to a higher-standard? yes- as i should be.
however- what many people fail to realize is that once the officers shift ends, hes on 'his' time. if he chose to ride wearing nothing but a neon thong- thats his choice.
also- this is also the same guy who YOU call when you need help. hes the guy who runs TOWARDS gun fire when everyone else is running AWAY from it. hes the cop who stops speeders in school-zones (the schools where YOUR kids attend). he fights the thugs, the drug dealers and the robbers. while many will say 'thats his j-o-b', it is. how many people would have the ***** to be a cop?
if he wanted to ride with no helmet, so be it.
i dont see people ranting about 'joe the plumber' or 'ed the electrician' riding without a "sticker" or a helmet.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't believe in 'selective enforcement' of motor vehicle statues and ordinances based on nothing more than who you happen to be.
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RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
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then perhaps the officer should be paid for being 'on duty for 24hrs'?
then perhaps the officer should be paid for being 'on duty for 24hrs'?
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RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
Being a cop yes I do consider myself to have to hold myself to a higher standard. And on that same point it is technically in our job description. I remember your last post about the helmet exempt sticker...but hey, look at the bright side. He was in uniform and not naked like the other riders you passed that very same day.
#28
07-17-2007, 11:56 AM
RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
ORIGINAL: Domestic Violence
im a cop. i ride a city issued road king. i also own my personal road king. i dont have an inspection sticker on my personal ride. is that wrong? well- legally, yes. i choose to take the chance of being stopped by an on-duty officer and being ticketed for the offense. its a personal choice that i made- i dont want a sticker on my $20,000 motorcycle. am i setting a 'bad' example? well- to some people, yes. am i held to a higher-standard? yes- as i should be.
however- what many people fail to realize is that once the officers shift ends, hes on 'his' time. if he chose to ride wearing nothing but a neon thong- thats his choice.
also- this is also the same guy who YOU call when you need help. hes the guy who runs TOWARDS gun fire when everyone else is running AWAY from it. hes the cop who stops speeders in school-zones (the schools where YOUR kids attend). he fights the thugs, the drug dealers and the robbers. while many will say 'thats his j-o-b', it is. how many people would have the ***** to be a cop?
if he wanted to ride with no helmet, so be it.
i dont see people ranting about 'joe the plumber' or 'ed the electrician' riding without a "sticker" or a helmet.
im a cop. i ride a city issued road king. i also own my personal road king. i dont have an inspection sticker on my personal ride. is that wrong? well- legally, yes. i choose to take the chance of being stopped by an on-duty officer and being ticketed for the offense. its a personal choice that i made- i dont want a sticker on my $20,000 motorcycle. am i setting a 'bad' example? well- to some people, yes. am i held to a higher-standard? yes- as i should be.
however- what many people fail to realize is that once the officers shift ends, hes on 'his' time. if he chose to ride wearing nothing but a neon thong- thats his choice.
also- this is also the same guy who YOU call when you need help. hes the guy who runs TOWARDS gun fire when everyone else is running AWAY from it. hes the cop who stops speeders in school-zones (the schools where YOUR kids attend). he fights the thugs, the drug dealers and the robbers. while many will say 'thats his j-o-b', it is. how many people would have the ***** to be a cop?
if he wanted to ride with no helmet, so be it.
i dont see people ranting about 'joe the plumber' or 'ed the electrician' riding without a "sticker" or a helmet.
#29
07-17-2007, 11:58 AM
RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
ORIGINAL: Domestic Violence
then perhaps the officer should be paid for being 'on duty for 24hrs'?
then perhaps the officer should be paid for being 'on duty for 24hrs'?
I agree...the sticker thing is a Minor Violation, and hundreds of citizens probably violate it, and get away with it each and every day. But, should an LEO be held to a higher standard, or not? I say yes, he should, as LEOs are in a fishbowl. Each and every person that knows who you are, watches to make sure that you are doing things right. And if you don't, they tell everybody they know about it.
#30
07-17-2007, 12:13 PM
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RE: Cops, Full Uniform, No Helmet. Your thoughts?
To me it's simple, either he is in compliance with the law or he is not. If he is, it's all good. If he is not, he needs to comply just like all of us are expected to. No higher standard, no lower standard.