Electrifying Numbers for the 2020 Harley-Davidson LiveWire
#71
Well, here's how this goes ... we all need to get over ourselves and hope these new bikes are a huge success so that Harley is still around.
Make no mistake ... we're only a few battery technology advances away from the governments of the world saying. "That it, no more fossil fuel vehicles ... including motorcycles. Irregardless of climate. There is simply too many of these whack jobs selling the politicians (who don't know any better) a line of bullshit.
All vehicles produced will have to be electric or hydrogen in the next two decades. Bet on it.
And you are not going to want to ride a hydrogen motorcycle in our lifetime.
Make no mistake ... we're only a few battery technology advances away from the governments of the world saying. "That it, no more fossil fuel vehicles ... including motorcycles. Irregardless of climate. There is simply too many of these whack jobs selling the politicians (who don't know any better) a line of bullshit.
All vehicles produced will have to be electric or hydrogen in the next two decades. Bet on it.
And you are not going to want to ride a hydrogen motorcycle in our lifetime.
Sales of plug-in passenger cars achieved a 2.1% market share of new car sales in 2018, up from 1.3% in 2017, and 0.86% in 2016.
So if you take that, that's not even 1%/Year. So in the next two decades at that rate that would be around 25% EV's.... So even if you double that... That's 50% EVs...So ya.. I'd almost take that bet. That just is not a rapid rate of growth.
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#72
...the local HD dealership that is a "LiveWire" specialist, I guess just installed there LW charging station. One thing is a fact, the longer they take to charge, the longer people will be inside the HD dealership spending $$$ on motorclothes, accessories, etc.
...wonder if there is going to be Stage 1, Stage 2, etc. on those things?
...wonder if there is going to be Stage 1, Stage 2, etc. on those things?
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shorelasHD (08-31-2019)
#74
Until you can pull your EV into a charging station every 100-200 miles or whatever and fully charge it in the same amount of time or less then what it takes to fill a tank of gas. Not happening.
Cars are not the sole fossil fuel vehicle today. They going to make a Boeing 787 an EV? What are they replacing that fossil fuel with? What about all the diesel semi's, tractors, dossers, back hoes etc.. etc.. they have a LONG way to go before it's the "future". Maybe someday, but not in my lifetime.
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Uncle G. (09-02-2019)
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Efficient electric vehicles will be an option for sure. They will not be the future. I'm not saying fossil fuel will be around forever, but EV's won't be the sole future vehicle. No Way.
Until you can pull your EV into a charging station every 100-200 miles or whatever and fully charge it in the same amount of time or less then what it takes to fill a tank of gas. Not happening.
Cars are not the sole fossil fuel vehicle today. They going to make a Boeing 787 an EV? What are they replacing that fossil fuel with? What about all the diesel semi's, tractors, dossers, back hoes etc.. etc.. they have a LONG way to go before it's the "future". Maybe someday, but not in my lifetime.
Until you can pull your EV into a charging station every 100-200 miles or whatever and fully charge it in the same amount of time or less then what it takes to fill a tank of gas. Not happening.
Cars are not the sole fossil fuel vehicle today. They going to make a Boeing 787 an EV? What are they replacing that fossil fuel with? What about all the diesel semi's, tractors, dossers, back hoes etc.. etc.. they have a LONG way to go before it's the "future". Maybe someday, but not in my lifetime.
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Efficient electric vehicles will be an option for sure. They will not be the future. I'm not saying fossil fuel will be around forever, but EV's won't be the sole future vehicle. No Way.
Until you can pull your EV into a charging station every 100-200 miles or whatever and fully charge it in the same amount of time or less then what it takes to fill a tank of gas. Not happening.
Cars are not the sole fossil fuel vehicle today. They going to make a Boeing 787 an EV? What are they replacing that fossil fuel with? What about all the diesel semi's, tractors, dossers, back hoes etc.. etc.. they have a LONG way to go before it's the "future". Maybe someday, but not in my lifetime.
Until you can pull your EV into a charging station every 100-200 miles or whatever and fully charge it in the same amount of time or less then what it takes to fill a tank of gas. Not happening.
Cars are not the sole fossil fuel vehicle today. They going to make a Boeing 787 an EV? What are they replacing that fossil fuel with? What about all the diesel semi's, tractors, dossers, back hoes etc.. etc.. they have a LONG way to go before it's the "future". Maybe someday, but not in my lifetime.
Not to rain on the electric crowds " it's the future and the savior of all mankind." battle cry .But if anyone thinks Standard Oil, Exxon Mobile ,Phillips Petroleum, British Petroleum are going out of business and there will be no fossil fuels on the earth, think again.. Standard Oil is one of if not the biggest company in the world. There are too many players with to much to loose to relinquish their grip on their cash cow. It's in the same vain as curing cancer. All the cancer doctors,the cancer research centers, cancer hospitals and the drug companies are going to go out of business ? Yeah right. Sure electric may help and solar too, but to think it's going to replace the gas engine and fossil fuels ,wishful thinking at best.
But technology progresses. Look at cordless tools. We got chainsaws and mowers. I have little doubt the range will dramatically increase.
The idea of no maintenance other than repairs is something. Not know, but I am not saying never.
200 mile cars are already selling, it works for many people. It would for many in the r cruiser market too, if they are honest.
Price is an issue. But Harleys were never cheap.
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Not to rain on the electric crowds " it's the future and the savior of all mankind." battle cry .But if anyone thinks Standard Oil, Exxon Mobile ,Phillips Petroleum, British Petroleum are going out of business and there will be no fossil fuels on the earth, think again.. Standard Oil is one of if not the biggest company in the world. There are too many players with to much to loose to relinquish their grip on their cash cow. It's in the same vain as curing cancer. All the cancer doctors,the cancer research centers, cancer hospitals and the drug companies are going to go out of business ? Yeah right. Sure electric may help and solar too, but to think it's going to replace the gas engine and fossil fuels ,wishful thinking at best.
Efficient electric vehicles will be an option for sure. They will not be the future. I'm not saying fossil fuel will be around forever, but EV's won't be the sole future vehicle. No Way.
Until you can pull your EV into a charging station every 100-200 miles or whatever and fully charge it in the same amount of time or less then what it takes to fill a tank of gas. Not happening.
Cars are not the sole fossil fuel vehicle today. They going to make a Boeing 787 an EV? What are they replacing that fossil fuel with? What about all the diesel semi's, tractors, dossers, back hoes etc.. etc.. they have a LONG way to go before it's the "future". Maybe someday, but not in my lifetime.
Until you can pull your EV into a charging station every 100-200 miles or whatever and fully charge it in the same amount of time or less then what it takes to fill a tank of gas. Not happening.
Cars are not the sole fossil fuel vehicle today. They going to make a Boeing 787 an EV? What are they replacing that fossil fuel with? What about all the diesel semi's, tractors, dossers, back hoes etc.. etc.. they have a LONG way to go before it's the "future". Maybe someday, but not in my lifetime.
Airplanes? There are battery powered general aviation airplanes on the market today, and plans on the drawing board for electric airliners (natural gas powered turbines turning generators turning electric motors turning fans or props).
We will see electric semis on the highways in the next five years, guaranteed, and soon after just about everything else that needs to move. The SOLE disadvantage of electric versus ICE propulsion is energy storage, and not only are batteries getting better on an almost daily basis, but workarounds like fossil fuels turning generators turning electric motors (think diesel-electric locomotives).
And as far as governments making up the lost revenue from fuel taxes? Well, we all know that governments aren't very efficient at very much, but they ARE efficient at extracting lucre from their citizens. Not to worry.
#79
Oh, but you're wrong. EVs are indeed the future, if for no other reason that, at very worst, they're TWICE as efficient at converting energy into propulsion. Pollution from generating electricity? Well, point source pollution from a powerplant is much easier to deal with than millions of mobile point sources burning 60 million year old stored liquid sunlight at 25% efficiency-not to mention the hundreds of moving parts that need to be manufactured and assembled into an ICE. Oh, and BTW, ranges on most automotive EV are well over 200 miles-Today.
Airplanes? There are battery powered general aviation airplanes on the market today, and plans on the drawing board for electric airliners (natural gas powered turbines turning generators turning electric motors turning fans or props).
We will see electric semis on the highways in the next five years, guaranteed, and soon after just about everything else that needs to move. The SOLE disadvantage of electric versus ICE propulsion is energy storage, and not only are batteries getting better on an almost daily basis, but workarounds like fossil fuels turning generators turning electric motors (think diesel-electric locomotives).
And as far as governments making up the lost revenue from fuel taxes? Well, we all know that governments aren't very efficient at very much, but they ARE efficient at extracting lucre from their citizens. Not to worry.
Airplanes? There are battery powered general aviation airplanes on the market today, and plans on the drawing board for electric airliners (natural gas powered turbines turning generators turning electric motors turning fans or props).
We will see electric semis on the highways in the next five years, guaranteed, and soon after just about everything else that needs to move. The SOLE disadvantage of electric versus ICE propulsion is energy storage, and not only are batteries getting better on an almost daily basis, but workarounds like fossil fuels turning generators turning electric motors (think diesel-electric locomotives).
And as far as governments making up the lost revenue from fuel taxes? Well, we all know that governments aren't very efficient at very much, but they ARE efficient at extracting lucre from their citizens. Not to worry.
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