Electrifying Numbers for the 2020 Harley-Davidson LiveWire
#11
No offence but what was the dealers allotment of live wires for the year ? To be honest what makes the live wire a Harley anyway ? Slapping a Harley badge on a big battery pack and saying it's a Harley ? IMHO electric motorcycles, bicycles are on pair with appliances. There is no " soul " in any electrical bike, no vibration, no mechanical or exhaust noise, no smell of fuel or oils no vibrations, no V-twin rumble, Nothing. Harley could put their name on an electric drill or blender and it would be the level of excitement the live wire generates for me anyway.
But I have ridden Zero electric motorcycles. To say they have no soul is wrong. They just move you in a different fashion. With all the torque at zero rpm they pull like nothing else. There is no roar just the snapping of your neck and then rush of air.
The livewire is supposed to have a synaptic pulse of the motor at a stop to let you know it is on. It also has a distinctive gear whine sound. So they have vibration and mechanical noise. Just different from the ICE bikes.
If all goes as planned I'll be riding a livewire on Friday and will report back.
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#12
Live Wire
Enjoy you test ride.. Artificial vibrations and computer generated engine sounds is nothing like the real thing IMHO..There are plenty of naturally asperated gas powered motorcycles out there that make more torque and horsepower if that is the only thing people want. I got nothing against electric power but to me anyway, it's more of an electric appliance than a true motorcycle. Maybe Harley should build a diesel powered machine ? Plenty of torque there.
#13
No offence but what was the dealers allotment of live wires for the year ? To be honest what makes the live wire a Harley anyway ? Slapping a Harley badge on a big battery pack and saying it's a Harley ? IMHO electric motorcycles, bicycles are on pair with appliances. There is no " soul " in any electrical bike, no vibration, no mechanical or exhaust noise, no smell of fuel or oils no vibrations, no V-twin rumble, Nothing. Harley could put their name on an electric drill or blender and it would be the level of excitement the live wire generates for me anyway.
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#14
As for the Livewire it's just priced way too high for what it is, and that is going to give it a very hard time succeeding in a market with the likes of Zero.
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#15
Enjoy you test ride.. Artificial vibrations and computer generated engine sounds is nothing like the real thing IMHO..There are plenty of naturally asperated gas powered motorcycles out there that make more torque and horsepower if that is the only thing people want. I got nothing against electric power but to me anyway, it's more of an electric appliance than a true motorcycle. Maybe Harley should build a diesel powered machine ? Plenty of torque there.
I think Harley has tried very hard to give the livewire soul of its own.
I think it's pretty safe to say that you and most traditional Harley owners are not the target market for the livewire. Thats a good thing because the Harley base is dying off and not buying enough motorcycles. The while point of the livewire is to develop a new market and keep the moco going.
As for the diesel motorcycle I'd love to see one if them too. I drive a diesel truck. Imagine if I could put straight pipes on a bike and roll coal.
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#18
Enjoy you test ride.. Artificial vibrations and computer generated engine sounds is nothing like the real thing IMHO..There are plenty of naturally asperated gas powered motorcycles out there that make more torque and horsepower if that is the only thing people want. I got nothing against electric power but to me anyway, it's more of an electric appliance than a true motorcycle. Maybe Harley should build a diesel powered machine ? Plenty of torque there.
Torque from an electric motor cannot be compared to torque from a gas motor...gas motors make high numbers at x amount of RPM...an electric motor makes all it's torque starting at 1 RPM...
I would imagine you would have to put some serious money in a gas motor to keep up with thing from 0-60...fun from stop light to stop light...
Too much money, and not enough range to be practical yet..
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