Well said Shread,,,,,most cagers are in a hurry,,,and if their sitting waiting for bikes to pass,,,they will jump if they see a 50ft break,,,they wont even consider it when a guard is posted.....And I thank them all for waiting as I roll back into formation.......I never took the MSF course,,,I took the follow the leader course....no what I mean.....

 

know whatcha mean. that was the origional course.. the MSF course is the beginner course for guys trying to live long enough to be considered old skool one day.

 

14 bikes don't require guards,,,,we're talking about charity rides....200 or better....

 

Wasn't one thing said in the oiginal post about charity rides. Just about large groups and whether or not private individuals had the right to block traffic. Most large charity rides have the benefit of police escort and traffic control. If you don't have, and you take on traffic control yourself, you are illegal and dangerous. It's not a question of us "NEW BIKERS" not knowing how to do it, it's more a question of doing what is right and legal.

As far as the post about the 1%'s committing violent and brutal acts against people and thinking it is alright, and that the "NEW WAVE"us real bikers are wrong, you never have to worry about this "REAL BIKER" invading your space. I would not want to be on the same road with you or have you in a group I am inwith the attitude you have.

As far as the "OLD SCHOOL" class of the"FOLLOW THE LEADER COURSE", that is what sheep tend to do.

Bill

 

don't you ever get a nosebleed up on that soapbox of yours? right/ and legal? you probably obey ALL laws all the time right?? b.s. and as far as my ability to ride, you got no clue. i love people who hide behind their computer and assume that they are the good riders and everybody else is clueless. like i said, cops would rather we block traffic than have to clean up the mess from an accident.

 

Some people hide behind their computers so much as to not even disclose their profile on the computer they are hiding behind.

 

Well first it is not legal and if you get mowed down blocking a green light I'm sure the liability is yours. With that said, as a LEO I have never bothered a large charity ride. LEO's will be happy to help out. My son recently did a run for a sick friend and two states helped as well as escorting the whole run with motor officers.

I have also been that biker blocking an intersection. I have found that if the group stops for a red light then blocks the intersection when their light is green, it is much safer because the opposing traffic is already stopped. As long as everyone uses a little common sense (yeah right) you should be o.k.

 

Didn't question your ability to ride did I? My point was thatI don't care to ride with people who have attitudes, and think it is okay to break laws and if they get cut off for doing it, then it is okay to brutalize the person who done it.

Don't think I am hiding behind a comuter. I have posted enough here,met andridden with enough people on this forum and been around long enough that I am a pretty open book. And, my profileIS posted. Hiding behind a computer?? I don't think so.

I was a cop for 20 years, so don't tell me what cops would rather have motorcyclists do. Most cops expect motorcyclists to obey the law just like everyone else. Should be no need to be cleaning up a mess of an accident if everyone is riding safe and obeying the law and not thinking that just because they are on a motorcycle they have some special exclusion when it comes to the use of public highways. The messes come when arrogant people break the laws, ride like they own the road,and try to force their will on other drivers.

Most police departments have no problem with helping out on charity runs, but the department I was with certainly didn't approve of people taking it upon themselves.

Bill

 

Exactly!!!!!!

Bill

 

Good morning all,,,,befor the fists fly,,,a couple of things to conceder.
1) Its a forum,,,its a debate,,,instead of being a PC rambo,,,backup your words with experience not personal attacks....
2) There are3 kinds of bikers in here:
A)The Old school,,,learned what they know by hardknocks(experance)....(To some they may look like Sheep,,,but trust me they bite like a lion)..
B)The New Wave,,,,book smart,,,more posts than miles on the road...becouse its in print,,or taught by some government innsttutuon...it must be the right thing to do...
C) NewBees,,,wanting to learn...here for good information....

3) There are many different style of riding,,,what work for one group may not work for another,,,whats done in the city,,,,might not apply in the woods,,,vise the verse..

4) I see a big riff between A) and B) riders....
5) Common sence will take u a long way on your scoot....