Counter Steering
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Never started at the age of 16 with an illegal overpowered moped, in Germany a little motorcycle? Countersteering is the first thing to learn from an official riding instructor. But in practice we learned it already at the age of 14, riding illegally on our illegal mopeds..Speeds of 75mph with a 2-stroke 50 cubic centimeter Kreidler block at 10,000 rpm and up. A good advice, it is no shame to discover new techniques in riding motorbikes. But ask a good instructor to instruct you. Maybe within a couple of hours you will perform countersteering like you have done this already your entire life. Instructors give te best guarantee on a undamaged bike and rider during practicing, so better to do so than try it by yourself on public roads. Myself, I can turn a '8' within 8 meters (25ft) with my Ultra Limited, due to 'countersteering' and proper leaning. Look at videos of police rodeos, you can see how they do this turning and countersteering.
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Some people don't recognize that all this applies to a bicycle as well (yet not a trike).
It is simply not possible for a bicycle to steer properly without counter steering. This generally isn't taught yet it becomes muscle memory without one being cognizant of the physics involved. It becomes increasingly imperative to understand on a motorcycle due to the speed, weight, and other variables involved.
It is simply not possible for a bicycle to steer properly without counter steering. This generally isn't taught yet it becomes muscle memory without one being cognizant of the physics involved. It becomes increasingly imperative to understand on a motorcycle due to the speed, weight, and other variables involved.
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As I understand it, to force a sharp turn you have to get off the center road contact patch of your tire and pitch the bike onto the SIDEWALL of the tire so that you make it turn.
Shifting your weight may not do much to get the bike onto its sidewall as the wheels are acting as gyroscopes and resist tipping the bike much ESPECIALLY AT SPEED when the gyroscope effect is strongest.
Yet by pushing forward HARD on the left handlebar your wheel points RIGHT for a second but it also forces the front end to start chewing on the LEFT sidewall of the tire because the wheel has been twisted to the right.
This gets you off the center contact patch and makes the bike swerve LEFT.
Motorcycles are two wheeled gyroscopes and can not be easily TURNED.
They have to be swerved by getting them over onto the SIDE of the tire.
This takes practice.
I know it has been done to death but unlike oil choice, the OP is raising an issue which newcomers to the forum MUST be constantly reminded about as many have never even heard of it.
Lack of knowledge can kill them and possible involve some of the rest of us in the accident if we ride near them.
I am OK with the OP beating this horse some more.
Even if you dismiss the thread or link to earlier versions his point has been raised so mission accomplished.
Shifting your weight may not do much to get the bike onto its sidewall as the wheels are acting as gyroscopes and resist tipping the bike much ESPECIALLY AT SPEED when the gyroscope effect is strongest.
Yet by pushing forward HARD on the left handlebar your wheel points RIGHT for a second but it also forces the front end to start chewing on the LEFT sidewall of the tire because the wheel has been twisted to the right.
This gets you off the center contact patch and makes the bike swerve LEFT.
Motorcycles are two wheeled gyroscopes and can not be easily TURNED.
They have to be swerved by getting them over onto the SIDE of the tire.
This takes practice.
I know it has been done to death but unlike oil choice, the OP is raising an issue which newcomers to the forum MUST be constantly reminded about as many have never even heard of it.
Lack of knowledge can kill them and possible involve some of the rest of us in the accident if we ride near them.
I am OK with the OP beating this horse some more.
Even if you dismiss the thread or link to earlier versions his point has been raised so mission accomplished.
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Oh I know that is an ideal track setting type line. I just wanted to bring up MikeR1s favorite diagram again and share it with the class.
Long live counter steering
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Can't believe I even had to tell you that, it should be all instinctual.
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