Counter Steering
#211
11-17-2017, 11:51 AM
Read my profile dude!! I have, and always have had and ridden two wheelers. And did both Street and Velodrome bicycle racing!! Try negotiating a downhill tight mountain turn, on a bicyckecwith a 2" contact patch, at 50 MPH...without countersteering. There's no way you can lean the bike enough to negotiate thecturn without countersteering.
Also, try doing a track stand on a bike. So, that if you fall, it won't be on your Harley.. come to a slow stop. Hold on the brakes, and balance without putting your feet down. As you are learning, you will be wiggling the bars back and forth. You'll be wiglingbthe bars in the direction you need to counteract the wrong lean angle. And oh yeah, since you are not moving. The bars aren't turning you.
Countersteering 101...
Also, try doing a track stand on a bike. So, that if you fall, it won't be on your Harley.. come to a slow stop. Hold on the brakes, and balance without putting your feet down. As you are learning, you will be wiggling the bars back and forth. You'll be wiglingbthe bars in the direction you need to counteract the wrong lean angle. And oh yeah, since you are not moving. The bars aren't turning you.
Countersteering 101...
Jeez...
John
#214
11-17-2017, 01:20 PM
Well, then, I must be an oddity, because counter steering has been instinctual to me ever since I started learning to ride on a little KZ100 bike. On a small bike, you quickly learn to lean and move the bike instead of yourself to make those sharper and quicker moves in turns and around debris in the road. I've been using those techniques ever since, though it's not as easy or fast on a heavier bike, and I still "practice" occasionally, to make sure I keep up with the technique and know the limits of my bike and myself. I also learned pretty quick that accelerating through a turn will cause the bike to stand up more, AND give you better grip, with more of the tire making contact with the road. These things may seem to go against what you would think to do, but once you've done them, and see how they work, you will likely use them a lot more often!
#215
11-17-2017, 01:23 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
I've got a ton of diagrams and pics I'll need to hunt for. But regardless of how you reply once you see them I'll tell you you are wrong and then go on a lengthy dissertation as to how I am right, even if you said the same thing.
In the meantime -
https://youtu.be/svHXfHqM6EY
In the meantime -
https://youtu.be/svHXfHqM6EY
#216
11-17-2017, 01:28 PM
i had to post this because by what ive seen through the years of riding, being behind harleys honestly was the most painfull experience when it came watching them go through turns. Braking before turns, not taking the apex of the turn, not countersteering, not looking through the turns, not accelerating out of the turns. I think riding a sportbike really helped me to understand the mechanics behind riding a bike. I got this feeling most harley riders could care less about that or going fast, they are all about enjoying the ride which i get.
#217
11-17-2017, 01:29 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
You probably learned, without being taught, how to countersteer while riding a bicycle. That is how I learned, and transferred the 'skill' when I began on a littler Yamaha 60cc.
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#218
11-17-2017, 01:32 PM
From this point forward I promise never to enjoy another ride until I have this counter steering issue settled once and for all. The breeze, the sights, the sounds and smells....meaningless now that I am so confused. About 50 years of two wheel enjoyment right down the crapper!
#219
11-17-2017, 03:47 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
Do you really not get it?
#220
11-17-2017, 05:32 PM
Seasoned HDF Member