Originally Posted by hellonewman

Agreed. But to me it was a visual obstruction from the seat I would rather not have to achieve a look I don't like. So it now has 2 reasons to take it off which is a waste. They should offer it without it as an option and provide a credit. Not a fan of fairings either

Originally Posted by hellonewman

I wonder if the government (aside from EPA) has any influence on a bikes design like they do on a car? Probably have some influence. This is the reason cars are all looking more and more like each other compared to previous decades where freedom of design produced iconic looks we'll never see again. Some of the requirements driving car design are pedestrian frontal impact requirements! Thats what killed the 2005/2006 FordGT supercar as of Jan 2007 which has now been redesigned so that person you hit lands in a certain way on the car minimizing injuries. Of course that doesn't apply to a bike but just putting that thought out there as the bikes get more and more tron-like in appearance. And really, how many different ways can you make a 2 wheeled thing look? Pretty limited when there's no body or the option to have a roof or not.

Originally Posted by TroubleHead Fred

Yea, but do you think the moco lawyers can convince a jury that yamaha and honda have been copying their 2018 RiceGlide bikes for the last 25 years?

Originally Posted by Halojumper

What do you mean by copying, in the legal sense that is?

Originally Posted by hellonewman

I wonder if the government (aside from EPA) has any influence on a bikes design like they do on a car? Probably have some influence. This is the reason cars are all looking more and more like each other compared to previous decades where freedom of design produced iconic looks we'll never see again. .

Originally Posted by hellonewman

I wonder if the government (aside from EPA) has any influence on a bikes design like they do on a car? Probably have some influence. This is the reason cars are all looking more and more like each other compared to previous decades where freedom of design produced iconic looks we'll never see again. Some of the requirements driving car design are pedestrian frontal impact requirements! Thats what killed the 2005/2006 FordGT supercar as of Jan 2007 which has now been redesigned so that person you hit lands in a certain way on the car minimizing injuries. Of course that doesn't apply to a bike but just putting that thought out there as the bikes get more and more tron-like in appearance. And really, how many different ways can you make a 2 wheeled thing look? Pretty limited when there's no body or the option to have a roof or not.

Originally Posted by TroubleHead Fred

I think you missed the jest of my post.

Originally Posted by jz78817

the EPA only sets emissions limits for bikes 280cc and larger. there are no fuel economy standards or even any real safety standards except for NHTSA-ordered recalls should a defect arise.

Originally Posted by jz78817

the EPA only sets emissions limits for bikes 280cc and larger. there are no fuel economy standards or even any real safety standards except for NHTSA-ordered recalls should a defect arise.

Originally Posted by Prot

So Harley should build a 279cc bike with manner of Tim The Toolman Taylor insanity in it? I wonder how much power is possible out of such a small engine.