There's another factor that just occurred to me that Im sure others share. Im new to Harley's (came from a crotch rocket) and I wouldn't even dream of jumping ship to get the "most value" or get" the best bike" or get the one that has all the gadgets for the same money as the "inferior" Harley. Im sticking with Harley because I want a Harley, not a yamaha or Honda. It's not like the harley today is crap like a new AMF shovelhead was. It seems most chiming in are long-time Harley owners, brand loyal to a fault and have been with them through the highs and lows that have maybe just run their course, time for a change of brand. I was mopar or no car for decades then I dumped them all and took a very different path, I needed a change. For now I have the passion for Harleys which could be considered ignorance, blind faith, even stupid or maybe new to the scene so the enthusiasm is there. It could change over time. For me there are Harleys, everything else is a motorcycle.

 

Good choice. The R1200RT is 600 lbs wet. Add a top box and it's probably around 625 lbs. That's over 300 lbs lighter than the Yamaha and the HD Street Glide is still 250 lbs heavier. You can't change physics. Mass is still mass.

Not to mention the R1200RT is decently priced at under $18,200 and has practically every gadget known to man.

 

That's just it. With the RT you have a bike that is faster, handles better, rides smoother, and cost about the same as a Fat Boy or whatever. And it remains true to it's roots - it still feels like a BMW, which I like. And in all honesty, that's not even a fair comparison. The R1200R would be more comparable to the new Softail models. It's under $15k.

 

Fully equipped, trunk, gps, central locking, etc., $27,000, same as the Yammie.

 

When you said the R1200R is more comparable to the new Softail's you were talking about price and not the bikes, right? Because if you were talking about the bikes you're way off. Apples and oranges.

 

I like what I see but am satisfied with what I have.

 

It says sold....do not come near otherwise you be shipped to the white house mr DT

 

It's not that I don't like the new Fatboy but I think I will put off buying one at this time. There is nothing wrong with my 2015 Breakout and I have no regrets at all buying it.

 

Nope. I'm talking apples to apples. How so? Clearly the Softails are cruisers, just in different flavors. But they are all just cruisers. But the Low Rider and Fat Bob are more "sport" oriented cruisers. The BMW is something else. Not sport bike, not touring bike...it's called a "roadster" but to me, it's just a motorcycle. No real category other than that. And here's my point - as Harley has chosen to move away from the old Softail to this all new design, they, imo, have moved away from being a Harley to just being another motorcycle. As such, if it were me shopping for a street bike, I would compare the BMW to the Low Rider and the Fat Bob. And in that comparison, the Harleys lose badly.

Again, this is just my opinion. You can say the K1600B isn't a bagger all you want, but BMW calls it a bagger and I've been told that's what the "B" stands for so.... And you can say the R1200R isn't apples to apples, but as a rider who has owned over 200 motorcycles, a bunch of which were (and 1 still is) BMWs in addition to a Harleys (including a Softail) I am entitled to my educated opinion. And my opinion is Harley strayed too far from being Harley with the new bikes. That makes them vulnerable to buyers shopping other brands. Not long ago people bought a Harley because it was a Harley - period. Other bikes didn't even factor into the equation. I believe BMW, Triumph, Ducati, along with offerings from the big 4 are now valid competition in the eyes of the demographic the Moco is seeking, while losing some of the demographic that put them on the map to begin with. And I know I'm far from alone in that opinion.

 

Is that paint considered as their vivid black model with that blue and red paint on the tank.