View Poll Results: After seeing the 2018 Models are you now planning on buying one?
Yes, I like what I see
260
36.41%
No, I don't like any of the new models
454
63.59%
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After seeing the 2018 line-up, Are you going to buy?
#491
There's another factor that just occurred to me that Im sure others share. Im new to Harley's (came from a crotch rocket) and I wouldn't even dream of jumping ship to get the "most value" or get" the best bike" or get the one that has all the gadgets for the same money as the "inferior" Harley. Im sticking with Harley because I want a Harley, not a yamaha or Honda. It's not like the harley today is crap like a new AMF shovelhead was. It seems most chiming in are long-time Harley owners, brand loyal to a fault and have been with them through the highs and lows that have maybe just run their course, time for a change of brand. I was mopar or no car for decades then I dumped them all and took a very different path, I needed a change. For now I have the passion for Harleys which could be considered ignorance, blind faith, even stupid or maybe new to the scene so the enthusiasm is there. It could change over time. For me there are Harleys, everything else is a motorcycle.
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Geary Thomas (10-13-2017)
#492
Yup, all correct. The Yamaha, with the TC option, is 963 pounds. However, it was designed, from the beginning, to have an extremely low center of gravity, and it was designed for outstanding low speed maneuverability. Guys that have ridden it say it handles like a bike 200 pounds lighter.
Among the Beemers, I'm probably leaning toward the R1200RT.
Among the Beemers, I'm probably leaning toward the R1200RT.
Not to mention the R1200RT is decently priced at under $18,200 and has practically every gadget known to man.
#493
Good choice. The R1200RT is 600 lbs wet. Add a top box and it's probably around 625 lbs. That's over 300 lbs lighter than the Yamaha and the HD Street Glide is still 250 lbs heavier. You can't change physics. Mass is still mass.
Not to mention the R1200RT is decently priced at under $18,200 and has practically every gadget known to man.
Not to mention the R1200RT is decently priced at under $18,200 and has practically every gadget known to man.
#494
Good choice. The R1200RT is 600 lbs wet. Add a top box and it's probably around 625 lbs. That's over 300 lbs lighter than the Yamaha and the HD Street Glide is still 250 lbs heavier. You can't change physics. Mass is still mass.
Not to mention the R1200RT is decently priced at under $18,200 and has practically every gadget known to man.
Not to mention the R1200RT is decently priced at under $18,200 and has practically every gadget known to man.
#495
That's just it. With the RT you have a bike that is faster, handles better, rides smoother, and cost about the same as a Fat Boy or whatever. And it remains true to it's roots - it still feels like a BMW, which I like. And in all honesty, that's not even a fair comparison. The R1200R would be more comparable to the new Softail models. It's under $15k.
#497
#499
Again, this is just my opinion. You can say the K1600B isn't a bagger all you want, but BMW calls it a bagger and I've been told that's what the "B" stands for so.... And you can say the R1200R isn't apples to apples, but as a rider who has owned over 200 motorcycles, a bunch of which were (and 1 still is) BMWs in addition to a Harleys (including a Softail) I am entitled to my educated opinion. And my opinion is Harley strayed too far from being Harley with the new bikes. That makes them vulnerable to buyers shopping other brands. Not long ago people bought a Harley because it was a Harley - period. Other bikes didn't even factor into the equation. I believe BMW, Triumph, Ducati, along with offerings from the big 4 are now valid competition in the eyes of the demographic the Moco is seeking, while losing some of the demographic that put them on the map to begin with. And I know I'm far from alone in that opinion.
Last edited by nevada72; 09-03-2017 at 08:29 AM.
#500